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Many people comment on how great it is to live in Yarra. Living in city fringe municipality has its benefits and creates challenges for Council and other agencies in relation to safety. It is important for Council to know what factors improve peoples sense of safety and to be aware of any gaps/opportunities.
Comment 1 30 Apr 2010, 9:56 AM
I think that amenity is really important, especially in the areas where there are lots of cafes and bars.
Comment 2 7 May 2010, 1:19 PM
I sometimes feel unsafe on Victoria Street. Sometimes you can see people making deals and then shooting up in clear public view. This does not stop me coming to, and enjoying the vibrancy of Victoria Street - it is just another layer of the diverse community in this area.
Comment 2.1 18 May 2010, 3:25 PM
Everyone on Victoria Street usually minds their own business. Having said that we live in a society that emphases social responsibility, community harmony and economic growth in each respective municipality/council. The local traders association should work closely with council groups/police to come up with initiatives to tackle the growing issue and problem. Police should increase their presence on the streets to deter drug use/behaviour and work with community groups to tackle this issue. It is more of on-going tactic rather than "occasional" street patrols.
Comment 2.2 21 May 2010, 9:33 PM
I live relatively close to Victoria Street and 99% of the time its OK, however if you look carefully you can regularly see drug dealing and/or usage, more often than not openly in public with little care for anyone else. I see this at least once per week. Sometimes you can see used syringes lying about, again thrown away with little care for anyone else. Most of the time the users are pretty harmless but have called the police several times when you see dealers. Often the police respond as fast as they can but realistically never fast enough. The answer lies with striking at the dealers first - believe me its not hard to find them!
Comment 2.3 25 May 2010, 1:53 PM
Deals are often conducted in the protected area behind traders stands. Pedestrian traffic gets conjested in these areas and it may be worth a trial removal of the displays to see if the situation on the shopping strip improves.
Comment 3 18 May 2010, 3:45 PM
I've worked in Yarra for nearly 20 years and feel least safe on the roads, especially when cycling. I appreciate the introduction of 40kph zones and bike tracks and would like to see more (especially Copenhagen-style bike lanes).
Alcohol-related violence worries me more than any drug problem and safety strategies should follow the evidence of what works.
Comment 3.1 18 May 2010, 4:14 PM
It would be nice if cyclists obeyed the rules. Every single day I am confronted with cyclists: Going the wrong way down one way streets; unlit at night; riding on the pavements; going through lights; riding without protective helmets. As both a frequent pedestrian as well as an occasional driver in the City of Yarra I feel very worried by this. A recent letter to the Age pointed out the difference between Melbourne and Copenhagen (or Amsterdam) style cycling. Here they treat it as a race and the speed is much too high.
Comment 3.1.1 4 Jun 2010, 1:33 AM
It is legal for a bike to ride in a contrary direction on a "one way" street and many bike trails overtly direct cyclists in that direction eg: Lennox Street between Victoria & Highett.
If a biker isn't wearing a helmet or lights it's hardly going to affect you at all. Just relax and let them whir past.
I believe cyclists are brave pioneers who take their lives in their hands to save the world from one less car and should be allowed to have exactly the same rights as pedestrians to go wherever the hell they like.
Comment 3.2 19 May 2010, 11:21 AM
I live in Abbotsford and it is most definitely the drivers, not cyclists, who pose the threat to pedestrian safety. The 'rat runs' in Gipps, Nicholson and Langridge streets are rife with cars and trucks speeding, honking (aggressively and extendedly...), peeling around corners, etc. I understand that traffic is a given in the inner city as lots of industry and commuters pass through here but it does create a pretty toxic environment for pedestrians and the driver agro is not appreciated or necessary. You will get there, drivers...
Comment 3.2.1 20 May 2010, 10:29 AM
Whenever anybody complains about cyclists, the response is always the same - "drivers are worse". I speak not just as a driver but as a frequent pedestrian in Fitzroy. Drivers may be bad, but saying this does not negate the truth of the very dangerous habits of cyclists. Could we address this issue locally without putting it aside with a fight as to who is worse, cyclists or drivers?
Comment 3.2.1.1 20 May 2010, 4:48 PM
I simply haven't felt threatened by cyclists, myself.
Comment 3.2.1.1.1 20 May 2010, 5:28 PM
My concern is not the cyclists but the motorists who seem to not be aware of the rules related to Pedestrian crossings. It seems you take your life in your hands stepping out on to a crossing - at least the cyclists stop!!
Comment 3.2.1.1.1.1 21 May 2010, 7:14 AM
Well you are lucky to find the ones who do stop! Plenty don't. And let's not forget the MANY cyclists who think that the pavement is their track. Once again I say, can we not see the cyclist issue as a 'who is worse' one. It IS an issue and how do we address it. Yes, I am also fed up with cars who turn into one way streets the wrong way (common round here) but I raised the cycle issue.
Comment 3.2.1.1.1.1.1 25 May 2010, 11:48 AM
I am a resident and cyclist in Yarra. I agree that both of these are issues and need to be respected and treated separately. Traffic in Yarra is enormously overloaded and there is an ongoing battle for space between cars, bikes and pedestrians.
As a cyclist I am particularly interested in the riding behaviours of other cyclists. Many are great and many are dangerous. The increase over the last few years of riding has encouraged a new cohort of people who are specifically into racing bikes and tend to function in this way daily. thought should be given into how this more…
Comment 3.2.1.1.1.2 3 Jun 2010, 12:57 PM
The McDonalds pedestrian lights next to the police station on Church Street are an issue. I have nearly being hit twice by cars pulling out of McDonalds and not stopping at the red lights. I don't cross there anymore as I am too scared.
Comment 3.3 2 Jun 2010, 5:12 PM
Better tracks and improved style could be an advantage, if done properly and pedestians were safer.
Comment 3.4 31 Jul 2010, 7:59 PM
I've recently moved to Fitzroy after living and cycling in inner Sydney for 4 years, and would like to say that by comparison I feel really safe riding here. Particularly in my local streets and getting to the CBD and Melbourne uni, which are my main trips.
So there are some good aspects.
In contrast to another comment here, I've observed the riding to be more relaxed and slower in Melbourne among the majority of riders. I think this has to do with people feeling safer, which is a function of more riders being on the roads/paths, more space on the roads more…
Comment 4 18 May 2010, 4:11 PM
Really appreciate the no-drinking on the streets now. Feel much safer.
Comment 4.1 18 May 2010, 6:48 PM
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Comment 4.2 19 May 2010, 10:54 AM
I've actually noticed little difference. I still see/hear people drinking on the street late at night and I think this law has little effect on those chronic alcoholics who have little option but to drink in public. I think the law is fine but is no magic bullet nor a stand-alone solution to the issues of alcohol abuse in the community. I hope we continue to see risk-minimising programs (outreach, rehab, etc) and other supports for people who are abusing alcohol and drugs.
Comment 4.2.1 20 May 2010, 10:31 AM
I have noticed considerable difference and so have the traders I spoke to in Smith Street. It is interesting that the council members who wanted to rescind the rule never spoke to them! I agree with you that there are still other street drinking issues which need to be tackled, along with alcoholism.
Comment 4.2.1.1 20 May 2010, 4:45 PM
Traders were consulted along with a whole range of people in the Smith Street Community Plan and Structure Plan processes. There simply wasn't a singular view on the issue (not unusual in a diverse community like ours). I think a good balance has been struck but that balance does depend on other services being put in place for chronic drinkers, the "Parkies", etc.
Comment 4.2.1.1.1 21 May 2010, 7:15 AM
Amazing, because the traders right next to the the old ANZ were not spoken to, the worst area for public drinking.
Comment 4.2.1.1.1.1 21 May 2010, 12:52 PM
A large tent was pitched right next to the ANZ for a full afternoon/evening as part of consultations. Lots of traders came out and spoke on their issues, some were surveyed/filmed making comment by roving interviewers. Lots of other people came out too... residents, visitors, agency people, etc. BOSS was a core stakeholder in all the consultations and various traders were involved in the steering group, workshops and focus group discussions. I was there and traders had lots of opportunity, over many months, to contribute to the Community Plan and the prior Structure Plan. Sure, not every trader took up more…
Comment 4.2.1.1.1.1.1 27 May 2010, 11:44 AM
Proper consultation should mean going into each trader. I have gone and spoken to many - and one of the issues is that they are afraid to speak up about the issue because of the reaction they might get. Going to an open tent where a lot of the problem was would not be the best way for them to do that.
Comment 4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 24 Jun 2010, 2:37 PM
Roving interviewers did go into many shops on that day and many traders did stop in at the tent.
Consultation is always imperfect but Smith Street traders were well represented in the Smith St planning processes and had multiple opportunities to contribute via focus groups, the drop in tent, interviews, workshops and membership on the Steering Group -- surveying everyone on an issue is both impractical and a waste of taxpayer dollars. And traders are not the only people with a view.
What happened in that consultation was that the BOSS views about the law were simply not shared by more…
Comment 4.2.2 21 May 2010, 9:39 PM
I agree, I havn't see much difference. I have a young family and use the fantastic local parks regularly. Often you see people drinking/drunk around where the kids are playing, and have even see drug deals take place in Richmond in open view! (See above, different thread for this). Quite amazing considering the apparent "crack down" on this. Must say that before my kids I felt pretty safe, now I don't (for them). Unfortunatley and sadly this and more so the drug issues above are starting to sway my decisions to leave Richmond after 15 years being a local.
Comment 4.2.2.1 3 Jun 2010, 12:54 PM
I agree. I see deals done around kids parks and a drunk once approached my daughter. I am always scared that there might be syringes in the park and always look out for them. The park next to Richmond Police station is a shocker. I often see drunks and notorious behaviour from the school kids from nearby TAFE on Highett street. I once saw a group of them acting indecently towards a dog but dare say nothing because I was scared they wuyld target me and my daughter. I have NEVER seen police around the park but I always bump into them at Richmond Plaza where they go to get their coffee!!!
Comment 4.2.2.2 8 Jun 2010, 11:59 PM
There would not be a difference in the park because the nonsense of the legislation continued to allow drinking in the Yarra parks!
Comment 5 18 May 2010, 6:52 PM
Better lighting around Collingwood would help ensure safety of pedestrians and cyclists and make the area feel generally more amiable
Comment 5.1 19 May 2010, 9:34 AM
Street lighting needs to be improved not only in Collingwood, but also in Fitzroy. Sometimes, when I'm walking home from my tram stop in the evening after work and it's dark, I feel quite anxious - especially so if I can hear somebody walking behind me. The lighting consists of very dim, yellow pools of light many metres apart, with large areas of darkness inbetween. Same problem exists if I need to go to the milkbar in the evening. I used to love going for a walk after work, before dinner but not any more
Comment 5.2 19 May 2010, 10:48 AM
I agree about lighting. The quality of the lighting (very pale, white light) as well as the near absence of pedestrian-scale lighting (most lighting is provided for cars) makes the night time environment feel less safe for walking about. There is a lot of helpful guidance from CPTED on quality lighting that helps create a safer environment and I would like to see Yarra incorporate this approach to urban design work.
Comment 6 18 May 2010, 8:53 PM
I generally feel safe in Yarra. I don't tend to be out by myself late at night. I keep my eye out when I'm walking through council estates, but otherwise I feel pretty confident.
Comment 7 19 May 2010, 2:50 PM
I feel perfectly safe walking around the inner suburbs, day and night, and the 2008 survey results (p3) show that most other people feel the same way. The law-and-order issue is being exaggerated by politicians and bureaucrats for political reasons - more police, higher licence fees, fines for unlocked cars and bike helmets, and safety surveys that show safety isn't a big concern. Nanny State stuff!
The most un-safe thing is riding a bike. What's the biggest issue in the Safer Yarra Plan Discussion Paper? A 71% increase in bicycle casualties in five years! (p9) What is being done? VicRoads is doing "education and awareness programs", while Council supposedly builds cycle paths. The Discussion Paper asks "Are design and engineering the solution?" Damn right!
Comment 7.1 2 Jun 2010, 5:10 PM
James I agree about the bicycles. Please see below. Pegtopper
Comment 8 20 May 2010, 11:44 AM
Consult with teenagers:
I live in richmond and i often see syringes which doesn't make me feel very safe. I see police cars around a lot. This makes you realise stuff is going on but at least something is being done about it.
Comment 8.1 25 May 2010, 3:26 PM
I wonder why people feel unsafe around syringes - i feel more concerned about broken bottles than i do about syringes which are relatively innocuous- fortunately therew is little or no transmission of any virus through accidental conatct
Comment 9 20 May 2010, 12:09 PM
I have lived in the City of Yarra for 8 years. I now have a young family and feelqutie unsafe in and around the Richmond area outside of daylight areas. I have seen drug deals and people acting very odd ... that i can only assume are under some sort of influence. I would like to see improved lighting and improved police presence around the streets in Richmond. I find that many initiatives made by thsi council are directed at Collingwood and Fitzroy and feel that Richmond is often neglected. Considering I pay almost $3000 in rates each year .. as Richmond is one of the 3 highest rating paying suburbs in victoria, i expect that the council should improve the safety in this suburb.
Comment 10 31 May 2010, 10:50 AM
Public Housing consult - Atherton Gardens (Fitzroy) public housing
Noise and fighting at the pub across the road on Brunswick street is disturbing on a Friday and Saturday night
Comment 10.1 4 Jun 2010, 1:00 AM
City of Yarra? Are you representing the city of Yarra? Your comments don't quite make sense. are these notes or some kind of stream of consciousness poetry?
Comment 10.1.1 11 Jun 2010, 10:58 AM
Hello Grover. City of Yarra is posting up comments taken from face to face consultations, often with groups who don't necessarily access this site, to add to these forum topics. These consultations have included various groups such as the public housing Community Safety Working Groups, the Disability Advisory Committee and the over 55's group at the Fitzroy Learning Network.
Comment 11 2 Jun 2010, 5:06 PM
I think that bike riders should have more sense and so should the council over the shared pathways ie bicycles and pedestians. The Citys Bike plan does not allow for safety of the pedestrian. The plan hardly mentions children, toddlers, elderly, people using support aids. People in the park and on the paths for recreation purposes. It is a lop sided document. MOST RIDERS:are rude,have their heads down and ears full of music to notice others, They break the laws by using shortcuts they should not be using, do not read the safety signs,do not let you know when they more…
Comment 11.1 4 Jun 2010, 1:17 AM
You're obviously angry but I couldn't disagree more. I find most riders are extremely mindful of pedestrians. Who wants to hit one? I know that the shared paths along the river are difficult to share but I think precedence should be given to bikes - pedestrians can walk anywhere else. I should know I've been a pedestrian for years!
Sorry but bikes are the victims here - by a long shot. Whatever you see a bike do that you think is dangerous it is usually the person on the bike that is at risk. Very few people are hurt by more…
Comment 11.1.1 9 Jun 2010, 12:03 AM
Honestly, as soon as the blessed Bike Brigade come out we have the 'poor cyclist' routine. Every single day I WALK around the City of Yarra and am confronted with cyclists coming the wrong way down one way streets, cycling at night without lighting, cycling without helmets and cycling on pavements. Yes motorists can be bad and disobey the rules, but if they did it to this extent there would be uproar. The reason cyclists get away with it are 1: they are not registered and 2: there is a cultural taboo against any criticism of them.
Comment 11.1.1.1 9 Jun 2010, 3:19 PM
There certainly isn't a "cultural taboo" against criticism as is evidenced by the many people whingeing on these pages for a start.
I am a cyclist AND a driver AND a pedestrian. Above all I am a person. I walk a lot and I have never even come close to bumping into a bike. A lot of people seem to get angry with the way cyclists ride with such freedom, but where's the harm? I have had people try to run me off the road because I am overtaking them - this kind of resentment against cyclist "getting away with it" is one of the things that makes cycling so dangerous. That's why they are victims, because they get hurt and killed, dealing with cars.
The reason they get away with it is because it isn't a problem so devote your energy to real problems. When cyclists are responsible for killing more than 1 person per decade perhaps it should be viewed as a "problem".
Comment 11.1.1.1.1 14 Jun 2010, 6:10 PM
You ask what the harm is in the way cyclists ride with such freedom? The harm is being on a pavement and having them come at you at great speed when it is pedestrian only. The harm is having them ride across pedestrian crossings as a way of turning, rather than getting off the bike to cross. The harm is the whole culture of 'race' cycling as opposed to 'commuter riding' causing a danger to pedestrians and motorists. Plenty of harm in the so called 'freedom' they have. Freedom from obeying the rules, freedom from having registration plates (unlike cars) ... the list goes on. Oh and freedom not to pay road tax!
Comment 11.1.1.1.1.1 15 Jun 2010, 4:15 PM
Yes that is a fine list of some of the things that are free but you haven't answered the question - where's the harm? Like I said the amount of injuries caused by bikes is TINY compared with cars or pedestrians.
If the government spent more than 10% of the amount spent on cars, on facilities for bikes then I might consider a road tax fair. Until then I'll just enjoy it like a tax-paying pedestrian does.
Comment 11.1.1.1.1.2 15 Jun 2010, 4:28 PM
Yes that is a fine list of some of the things that are free but you haven't answered the question - where's the harm? Like I said the amount of injuries caused by bikes is TINY compared with cars or pedestrians.
If the government spent more than 10% of the amount spent on cars, on facilities for bikes then I might consider a road tax fair. Until then I'll just enjoy it like a tax-paying pedestrian does.
Comment 11.1.1.1.1.2.1 17 Jun 2010, 6:54 PM
I think I have listed enough reasons for sensible debate, but you seem Grover to fit in with the current situation of creating a scene if we throw criticism at cyclists. Oh, interesting this from the Age. Typical bloody cyclists.
Cyclists who wear headphones while riding are increasing their risk of being involved in a serious crash, according to a transport safety expert.
The warning comes after a 45-year-old man cycled into the path of a tram while listening to his iPod in Melbourne’s south today.
The Windsor man was pushed along the tram tracks after he was struck on the corner of more…
Comment 11.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 17 Jun 2010, 9:11 PM
Thank you for illustrating how dangerous it is to wear headphones while cycling but that's a bit off topic. We were talking about the harm caused by cyclists and you have yet to provide a single example. You see I don't think there is any problem in cyclists having freedom because they don't do any harm except maybe cause worry to caring citizens like you that think they are going too fast or not paying enough tax.
Seriously mate we are tying up this forum with our argument. Let me buy you a coffee and we can argue it out without dominating the debate about safety in yarra
Comment 11.1.1.1.1.2.2 17 Jun 2010, 6:55 PM
Oh and I think I DID answer the question "where's the harm"? If you read the answer you would know. So I repeat:
he harm is being on a pavement and having them come at you at great speed when it is pedestrian only. The harm is having them ride across pedestrian crossings as a way of turning, rather than getting off the bike to cross. The harm is the whole culture of 'race' cycling as opposed to 'commuter riding' causing a danger to pedestrians and motorists. Plenty of harm in the so called 'freedom' they have. Freedom from obeying the rules, freedom from having registration plates (unlike cars) ... the list goes on. Oh and freedom not to pay road tax!
Comment 12 4 Jun 2010, 9:42 AM
Residential streets need street lights on both sides working each night. Where I live only one side of the street has street lights working at night - my side of the street is in complete darkness. We've had numerous burglaries in our street ever since the street lighting was reduced.
Comment 13 4 Jun 2010, 4:29 PM
Consult with over 55's group:
I have seen someone begging while holding a knife on Smith Street, makes people feel uncomfortable.
Comment 14 4 Jun 2010, 4:35 PM
Consult with children:
Where do you feel safe?
i feel safe at home
In my room
Holding mum's hand
In bed
You might get hurt on the road
What can we do to make the community safe?
staying on the concrete and waiting for the cars
looking after each other
saying sorry to your friends
Comment 15 8 Jun 2010, 12:11 PM
Consult with Disability Advisory Committee:
Shared pathways can be dangerous. Bikes need to alert pedestrian that they are coming up behind them. Sometimes people have to go onto the road to get out of the way in time when a bike comes up from behind.
Bins can spill onto the pathway making the path dangerous to use. There should be some education campaign to teach people where to put the bins - for residents and workers emptying bins.
It can be dangerous when in a scooter and going to the pub. I sit in the smoking room and people don't give enough room. There needs to be more security.
The old trams can be unsafe; it is steep when boarding, and often your walking stick gets stuck in the doors
At some places, security look the other way when people obviously wanting to make trouble walk in.
Comment 16 15 Jun 2010, 9:15 AM
Feedback from Incomplete Spinal Injury Support Group: Members reported that many streets and in particular side streets are paved with cobble stones of uneven surface. Surface between stones are deeper and catch walking aids or cause falls among pedestrians with mobility problems. People with spinal cord injuries are particularly vulnerable. The members recommended that Yarra make the streets and footpaths that are covered with cobble stones safer by smoothing these surfaces.
Some Disability Parking Bays that have been relocated to side streets make it harder to use them as many of these streets are paved with cobble stones (on both sides of the street and at crossings with the main streets). This makes it impossible to avoid a cobble stone passage when walking from a parked vehicle onto the street. People with spinal cord injury or after surgeries (and some other pedestrians with disabilities) are in danger and fear of re-injury when walking from these bays.
Comment 17 21 Jun 2010, 8:04 AM
Anonymous submission
1. The footpaths in Richmond need to be improved considerably. They have patches, gaps etc and are most uneven. As many people in Richmond walk around both day and night there is the possibility of falls. I twisted my foot early this year and it took 5 weeks to get better. I rang the council and although they repaired the section of footpath the path around it is still uneven.
So - spend more time improving the footpaths, not in patches but all over. This will avoid many falls and complaints to the Council.
2. Re drug problems - my husband more…
Comment 18 12 Aug 2010, 1:39 PM
Anonymous submission
As a resident of nearly thirty years, I have seen the increase in drug trafficking and use Taking public transport in Victoria Street is singularly unpleasant, and all elected officials and agencies must be honest about the problem and argue in a balanced way for the introduction of a safe injecting unit. Drug addicts have terrible problems and must be monitored both to minimise harm to themselves and others, and give them a chance of moving towards recovery. Our old people and children are exposed daily, I see addicts with toddlers. It is really bad.
Comment 19 12 Aug 2010, 1:41 PM
Anonymous submission -
Yarra needs to continue to lobby strongly for improved public transport so that our communities are not rent apart by traffic, the air poisoned, whilst people in the outer suburbs are condemned to hours of travelling on congested roads to reach the city. Yarra needs better bike paths, it needs to encourage connections in neighbrouhoods by making it safe for pedestrians (streetscaping, calming measures to minimise the impact of cars). Encourage the greening of ugly vacant lots (for example near Victoria Park), support existing community infrastructure (e.g. the Collingwood Children's Farm and the Abbotsford Convent) which nourish our sense of wellbeing by bringing people together.
Comment 20 5 Oct 2010, 3:06 PM
the walk underneath the train lines at Burnley station - between Swan street and Madden grove. This area would greatly benefit from some fairly inexpensive measures - such as improved lighting, and more of a community atmosphere (perhaps some schoolkids murals, landscaping etc.).
