Precincts in Carlingford

by Hornsby Council 2:52pm, 11 Mar 2009

Council is trying to encourage more housing close to shops and train stations in Carlingford. Do you support this approach? Do you have any comments? 

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Ic_relatesdoc Relates to document: Housing Strategy Vol2 Pt11 Carlingford Precincts (1.1 MB)

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Wilfred Comment 1 16 Mar 2009, 6:20 PM

Has the council considered rezoning the areas backing to Carlingford Court shopping centre (e.g. areas between Rembrant St to Keats St and Darwin St areas)? This is probably a better option considering the area is quieter, more residential-friendly, close to shops, transports(e.g. Epping/Parramatta/Beecroft station connections - and also the possibility to explore/resume city buses services via Dunrosil/Ray Road/M2 or future rail-link connections i.e. re-instating the Chatswood-Parramatta rail-link).

Perhaps rezone the areas to medium-density living as the land appears to be suitable for such developments. In terms of access the area, there are opportunities for traffic enhancements at the carlingford rd/rembrant road and Dunrossil/Pennant Hills Road intersections (perhaps new sets of traffic lights?)

Has the council considered rezoning the areas backing to Carlingford Court shopping centre (e.g. areas between Rembrant St to Keats St and Darwin St areas)? This is probably a better option considering the area is quieter, more residential-friendly, close to shops, transports(e.g. Epping/Parramatta/Beecroft

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Zoomer Comment 1.1 16 Mar 2009, 6:38 PM

My majot concern which more than like applies to all precincts, is the demands on essential services, water, electricity and sewerage. Hornsby high rise alrteady has stretched the limits of sewerage maintenance and no doubt the flow on effect shall be stretched in the forseeable future

raymund Comment 2 20 Mar 2009, 11:29 PM

I object the existing plan for Carlingford for the reasons below:

- Keeler street is a small street and a lot of traffics already passing through it as short cuts to the 2 major roads, namely, Carlingford Rd and Pennant Hills Rd. By proposing it as a more dense residential area will make the street even more congested.

- With the busy traffic mentioned above, this has created an already noisy environment for residents. Having more densed population within the street will only contribute to a even noiser street. Not to mention the inconvenience for residents resides on Keeler street will be force to face heavy traffics to get in and out of their driveways.

- The proposed area with 5 stories building does not fit into the current density of the area. The current area only consists of houses and town-houses, 5 stories building will not be compatible with the character and amenity of existing neighbourhoods.

- I would agree if the proposed area to be allocated for 'Town-houses'. As town houses will fit well into the character of the existing neighbourhoods.

- With 5 stories high buildings, the privacy of neighbours on Keeler Street and Hepburn Ave would be reduced. The apartments will be overlooking the backyards and houses from 3rd floors onwards.

With the above reasons, I would like to make this as a formal objection to the existing plan for Carlingford.

I object the existing plan for Carlingford for the reasons below: - Keeler street is a small street and a lot of traffics already passing through it as short cuts to the 2 major roads, namely, Carlingford Rd and Pennant Hills Rd. By proposing it as a more dense residential area will make the street even

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Lisa Comment 2.1 13 Apr 2009, 9:19 PM

I agree with what was said here.

5 stories are too much for the area.

There would be too many cars using Keeler street. I would only like to see Keeler Street to be re-zoned for "Townhouses" only.

Nevil P Comment 2.2 6 Jul 2009, 12:31 PM

I have to disagree with your reasoning and instead argue, as an aging resident, that the proposed changes are in line with the needs of the community.

- Proposed 5 storey housing has been placed in this location due to the nearby public transport centres. This reduces the dependence on cars to more environmentally friendly transport methods and subsequently should not increase the congestion to Keeler street.

- Proposed 5 storey housing is a much better alternative than higher density 8-10 storey housing or town houses as it meets the growing needs of the community while simultaneously using the land efficiently. So long as significant trees and coverage is incorporated in the DCP I believe that the housing will easily fit the character of the existing neighbourhood. Further on this point is also the fact that there are already buildings (Carlingford Court etc) that are much higher than the proposed 5 storey housing.

- Privacy of neighbours on Keeler street and Hepburn ave should not be an issue so long as controls ensure housing has adequate cover and are setback from the street accordingly. A good example of this can be seen at Wahroonga along the Pacific Hwy.

I believe this is a good plan that will benefit all current and future residents of Carlingford. I give it my full support.

I have to disagree with your reasoning and instead argue, as an aging resident, that the proposed changes are in line with the needs of the community.- Proposed 5 storey housing has been placed in this location due to the nearby public transport centres. This reduces the dependence on cars to more environmentally

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bellinid Comment 2.2.1 6 Jul 2009, 1:53 PM

Actually as an aging resident you should be a bit concerned about the fact that this rezoning is not that close to Carlingford station and to get to and from Carlingford station involves a steep walk, hardly what an aging person would find ideal. You will no doubt respond that there are bus services. Unfortunately these are not always that reliable or frequent and have been subject to some unwelcome route and timetable changes recently.

5 storey is not necessarily that efficient either particularly if a free standing model is adopted with lots of useless space in between.

Also as an aging person you should be concerned about the high on going costs associated with apartment living over 3 storeys. Many retired people on the aged pension or part pension would find these dwellings unaffordable.

Actually as an aging resident you should be a bit concerned about the fact that this rezoning is not that close to Carlingford station and to get to and from Carlingford station involves a steep walk, hardly what an aging person would find ideal. You will no doubt respond that there are bus services.

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Deepa Comment 3 22 Mar 2009, 10:48 PM

It is high time that Hornsby council is trying to rezone Keeler St. Keeler St is governed by Parramatta council and Hornsby Council. Parrmatta council already allowed Keeler St residents who comes under them to build duplex and town houses.So one part of Keeler St got new building and other part of Keerler St got very rundown fibro houses. It is time for Hornby council to encourage and allow the owners to build duplex or town houses as the land appears to be suitable for medium desity.

Have a restriction put on Keeler st to be used only by the residents. People are using Keeler st as a short cut to 2 major roads Carlingford and Pennanthills.

It is high time that Hornsby council is trying to rezone Keeler St. Keeler St is governed by Parramatta council and Hornsby Council. Parrmatta council already allowed Keeler St residents who comes under them to build duplex and town houses.So one part of Keeler St got new building and other part of Keerler

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Lisa Comment 3.1 13 Apr 2009, 9:17 PM

Yes, only encourage rebuild of fibro houses to townhouses.

I do not agree with 5 stories houses.

davidmcf Comment 3.2 16 Apr 2009, 4:19 PM

How do you restrict access to a street to residents only? Certainly parking can be restricted in such a manner, but through traffic?

Mavid Comment 3.3 28 May 2009, 8:18 PM

What a strange and imaccurate comment. The houses on Hornsby side of the street include a new architect designed house, brick villas, lots of brick or brick veneer newer and older houses, an old charming farmhouse on a double block.

Where are the fibro houses? I certainly would not regard my house as "rundown" and I am sure that many other people on the Hornsby side of the street would object to this comment as well.

bellinid Comment 3.3.1 28 May 2009, 8:47 PM

They have used disparaging comments about the state of the houses elsewhere to aid their case eg Normanhurst. We in Normanhurst were most offended by this seeing as how quite a number of our homes have been painstakingly and expensively improved, also with architectural input.

uami8 Comment 4 6 May 2009, 11:39 AM

On page 74 of the Shire’s Housing strategy document says: “Carlingford has experienced a stable population indicating aging in place. Dwelling stock is dominated by separate dwelling with almost no alternative forms of accommodation. The largest emerging group are [sic] 70-84 year olds, which suggests smaller format multi-unit housing would be most appropriate.”

I find your observations to be inaccurate or non-sequitur in logic. Your observation of “The largest emerging group” may be true. However, it does not take into account that whenever elderly people leave their “separate dwelling” these dwellings have been invariably (in the Carling ford area) occupied by either by homebuyer or renters of families with young children or couples intending to start a family.

This exactly what happened when I, my neighbors and in-laws bought our current properties some 20-25 years ago; and this practice is repeating itself all the time. Families are quite happy to buy or rent an existing single dwelling which has space for children to play in the back yard and is close to schools. I believe that this attitude will not change with next generation cum the foreseeable future (ie next 25-30 years).

I have noticed since the 1980s that the elderly sell their home and generally move either to an existing apartment or villa unit, retirement village or nursing home, in the local area (viz Castle Hill, Epping, or Eastwood) or die in their home.

Young families want and need affordable separate dwelling housing and this is what Carlingford presently and into the foreseeable future, offers.

On page 74 of the Shire’s Housing strategy document says: “Carlingford has experienced a stable population indicating aging in place. Dwelling stock is dominated by separate dwelling with almost no alternative forms of accommodation. The largest emerging group are [sic] 70-84 year olds, which

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Mavid Comment 4.1 28 May 2009, 8:13 PM

an Excellent and relevant comment.

bellinid Comment 4.2 28 May 2009, 8:49 PM

And this is why the local schools are so full and so popular too. Families deliberately move to the area because of the good schools. It is a similar thing further north.

bangthetable1@1guess.net Comment 5 6 May 2009, 6:04 PM

Carlingford Village originally requested to be a large housing development. It was denied due to the fact the residents did not want a large horrible eye sore and that the infrastructure (water, roads, sewerage, parking) has already reached full capacity and would not support the increased number of people. These issues need to be addressed before this location is even considered.

bellinid Comment 6 11 May 2009, 8:16 AM

Page 2 of today's (11/05/09) SMH - PLANNING COUP FOR DEVELOPERS. Dept of Planning has been overhauled so that senior staff who were not sympathetic enough to developers have been given the boot, thus paving the way for developers to maraud Sydney like visigoths.

Check it out!

Nevil P Comment 7 6 Jul 2009, 12:49 PM

I believe that this is a sound housing strategy for the Carlingford precinct and give it my support for the following reasons.

- The areas proposed are close to public transport centres reducing the dependence on cars as the only form of transport. There will also subsequently be little increase to congestion.

- Housing is also positioned extremely close to shops and other important services.

- The 5 storey housing proposed meets the growing (and aging) needs of the community population while simultaneously fittting in to the style of the surrounding area.

- Privacy for neighbours can be obtained by keeping significant trees and setting buildings back from the road.

- Increased dwellings will mean greater business to local centres and continue to provide local jobs, reducing the need to commute.

- New developments will provide a welcomed facelift and investment in the area.

I believe that this is a sound housing strategy for the Carlingford precinct and give it my support for the following reasons.- The areas proposed are close to public transport centres reducing the dependence on cars as the only form of transport. There will also subsequently be little increase to congestion.-

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