Precincts in Waitara

by Hornsby Council 2:56pm, 11 Mar 2009

Council is trying to encourage more housing close to shops and train stations in Waitara. Do you support this approach? Do you have any comments? 

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Worried Comment 1 19 Mar 2009, 8:30 AM

I suspect that residents on the eastern side of Balmoral Street (the side not rezoned) are going to be very upset at having to look directly across the road at 5 story apartment blocks.

Has Hornsby Council really done its best to consider other locations which would have less impact on remaining residents? I don't think so.

What is wrong with building multi storey apartment buildings along the Pacific Highway at Waitara instead of 5 storey apartments in Park Ave and Balmoral Street?

Pacific Highway would be less intrusive, close to the rail and is a wider road with good access. These apartments would overlook the railway, the highway & other apartment blocks much like what has been happening along the Pacific Highway southbound.

I suspect that residents on the eastern side of Balmoral Street (the side not rezoned) are going to be very upset at having to look directly across the road at 5 story apartment blocks. Has Hornsby Council really done its best to consider other locations which would have less impact on remaining residents?

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MSH Comment 1.1 21 Mar 2009, 10:27 PM

I think when it comes to development the 'Pacific Hwy' is seen by the council as being 'too hard'.....

Look at the areas the council has selected... they have avoided the Hwy throughout the shire and chosen quiet back streets that may soon be destroyed.

Lizo Comment 1.1.1 22 Mar 2009, 10:10 AM

Perhaps that is because they know that developers want to develop away from busy streets because the properties they build will then be worth a lot more and hence result in higher profits?

RichardB43 Comment 1.1.2 30 Mar 2009, 8:01 PM

Pardon. Virtually the whole Asquith development, the biggest one proposed, is along the Pacific Highway.

green Comment 1.1.3 8 Apr 2009, 10:42 PM

Totally agree with you. There are already a lots apartments in Waitara, why Council have to destroy the only nice leafy quiet streets? Waitara is a tiny suburb with only a couple of nice streets left. What a pity!

Have they thought about rezoning those old 3 storey units behind Hornsby Westfield? One of the rezoning block at Waitara is to build 8-10 storey units. There are now church, nursing home and old 3 storey units on this block. If Council can even decide to knock down those facilities and units, why cannot they rezone the streets opposite to Hornsby girls High, with full of old 3 storey units.

Not even mention how many trees the developers will chop off. It's impossible to believe the trees will be kept during the constructions. The effect to the existing residents would be the worst. I am very disappointed...

Totally agree with you. There are already a lots apartments in Waitara, why Council have to destroy the only nice leafy quiet streets? Waitara is a tiny suburb with only a couple of nice streets left. What a pity! Have they thought about rezoning those old 3 storey units behind Hornsby Westfield? One

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wqx Comment 1.2 30 Mar 2009, 10:12 AM

Is anything we can do to stop this plan?

Worried Comment 1.2.1 31 Mar 2009, 3:31 PM

I don't know whether we can stop the rezoning, but if we don't try then we will never know. We need to come up with good arguements as to why the rezoning should not proceed, at least in its current form.

I congratulate Normanhurst for its show of community spirit in organising a meeting at a local venue whereby concerned residents could get together and voice there opinions about the proposal. You would assume that Council is much more likely to take notice if concerns are being raised by the community rather than by individuals.

I think it will be an uphill battle to suggest no redevelopment at all as Council is being pressured by the State Government to increase housing density. But perhaps we can come up with alternatives or a compromise which is better for both directly and indirectly affected Waitara residents?

To get the ball rolling, lets all post any comments we have about the proposed strategy on this site and a community meeting can then perhaps be organised to discuss these thoughts and a plan of attack going forward.

I don't know whether we can stop the rezoning, but if we don't try then we will never know. We need to come up with good arguements as to why the rezoning should not proceed, at least in its current form. I congratulate Normanhurst for its show of community spirit in organising a meeting at a local

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wqx Comment 1.2.1.1 31 Mar 2009, 5:52 PM

where is the Waitara community spirit? I think lots of people are still not aware of this current proposal or simply don't care. When can we have a community meeting mcuh like that of Normanhurst where everyone can voice their concerns. We could come up with very good arguments to prevent the rezoning together as joint effort.

I was wondering where the local MP's or some party candidates are? Shouldn't they do something?

Cat Comment 1.2.1.1.1 26 May 2009, 1:03 PM

The vast majority of Waitara residents already live in units.

Only the few with backyards are understandably vocal.

notsgiw Comment 2 2 Apr 2009, 1:35 PM

No more development until inadequacies in infrastructure services like schools and power supply are addressed. I have looked in vain for details about the impact of the proposed population increase on such services and any plans for their upgrade.

Waitara Public School has increased its intake by approx 25% since the current set of units were built, and will presumably increase by a similar amount again under the proposal. The school however is already overcrowded with the small play areas being encroached upon and has very limited land to accommodate new classrooms. The only way this could occur would be to knock down existing single storey classrooms, replacing them with multi-storey ones.

Summer now brings regular disruptions in power supply due to the increased load more dwelling put on the existing system. These breaks will almost certainly increase under the proposal.

I am sure that these problems are now unique to Waitara and other precincts will suffer the same problems.

Please show how these issues are to be addressed BEFORE development proceeds.

No more development until inadequacies in infrastructure services like schools and power supply are addressed. I have looked in vain for details about the impact of the proposed population increase on such services and any plans for their upgrade.Waitara Public School has increased its intake by approx

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emzetic Comment 3 18 Apr 2009, 4:45 PM

Balmoral Street is the best street in Waitara. It is quiet with well-maintained houses and leafy trees. The Waitara Precinct proposes 5 storey apartments to be built on the west side of the street. The beautiful Balmoral Street will be destroyed. It is especially intrusive to the residents on the east side of the street that is not re-zone. The value of their land will drop dramatically if the proposal is going ahead.

The council should choose area with lower land value, or street with older houses or under-develop. It does not make sense for the council to choose the most prestige street in Waitara for re-development.

Both sides should be re-zoned if a street is chosen for re-zone. The housing density should reduce gradually, not 5 storey apartment on one side and houses on the other side of the same street.

Balmoral Street is the best street in Waitara. It is quiet with well-maintained houses and leafy trees. The Waitara Precinct proposes 5 storey apartments to be built on the west side of the street. The beautiful Balmoral Street will be destroyed. It is especially intrusive to the residents on the

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emzetic Comment 4 18 Apr 2009, 5:52 PM

Hasn’t Waitara got it’s fair share? There are already many blocks of high rises near Waitara station and still more to be built. Density in other areas has also been increased by subdivisions. Waitara is only a small suburb and the station is only a small one. Community services are already at full capacity and how can it cope with any more?

Hornsby is a large suburb with huge shopping center and major station. There is hardly any share in this strategy? Is it the intention to let Waitara be the victim to take up Hornsby’s share?

crisis Comment 4.1 18 Apr 2009, 7:35 PM

You have made a very good point! Hornsby itself seems to have gotten away unscathed. You would think that they would see this as an opportunity to improve Hornsby. Hornsby is pretty dumpy and messy looking. Westfields dominates the town centre and everything outside of it is really run down.

The Metropolitan Strategy and the northern sub strategy say that Hornsby is meant to become a big regional centre and should accommodate a lot of the increase in housing and offices. Instead they have hardly touched it!

I say that Hornsby should be where most of the housing goes!

1108zac Comment 5 5 May 2009, 2:00 PM

We have recently moved from the city to Waitara (Balmoral St) to avoid highrise living. I can't believe they are going to ruin Waitara's best street with 5 story development. The facilities are running at their maximum, look at the state of Waitara station - it's access for wheelchairs and prams is laughable.

Waitara already has more than its share of unit blocks!

Cat Comment 5.1 18 May 2009, 3:33 PM

The closest thing you get to prams in Waitara these days are discarded Coles & Woolworths shopping trolleys at the foot of unit blocks.

Worried Comment 6 6 May 2009, 3:33 PM

Waitara is supposedly 1665 dwellings down on what is considered its "sustainable dwelling yield". But this is only because it is being grouped with Hornsby! This is just not fair. Hornsby is what is down on its sustainable dwelling yield - NOT Waitara!!!

If Waitara was considered an area in its own right then it would be operating at well over capacity.

Why should Waitara residents have to carry the burden for Hornsby Town Centre? Waitara has already contributed its fair share to high density living.

There are so many places within a combined Hornsby / Waitara to propose rezoning but where does Council choose? Balmoral Street Waitara of course. The only street left in Waitara for families wanting to live in houses rather than units.

The selection of Balmoral Street Waitara is surely against the stated objectives of the Housing Strategy which is to provide housing diversity for residents. Unless I am mistaken, all Council is doing in Waitara is removing what is left of housing diversity and making it a very one dimensional unit city.

Should Waitara residents have to move out of the suburb to buy a house with a backyard? Try telling that to residents of other suburbs, particularly those sacred sites of Beecroft, Cheltenham and Pennant Hills which have somehow managed to escape attention.

The very selection of Balmoral Street Waitara smacks of Council taking the easy option. Poor form Hornsby Council.

Waitara is supposedly 1665 dwellings down on what is considered its "sustainable dwelling yield". But this is only because it is being grouped with Hornsby! This is just not fair. Hornsby is what is down on its sustainable dwelling yield - NOT Waitara!!!If Waitara was considered an area in its own right

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bellinid Comment 6.1 6 May 2009, 9:15 PM

You need to complain to council about them leaving Pennant Hills out of the equation because it was too complex to deal with at this point in time. Tell them officially that this is not a satisfactory response.

Pennant Hills is a proper commercial centre with a library, a gym, an abundance of specialist medical practices, churches, shops, a pub, a community centre/ hall, offices , a large park and so on. And a more frequent train service than say Normanhurst.

Tell them you are not happy with their decision.

misapproved Comment 6.2 18 May 2009, 8:40 PM

Why has council set the limit for new units in the Park Avenue triangle at 8 -10 stories when the rest of the suburb is only built to 8.

Waitara is already developed beyond its capacity and yet Council proposes to go beyond the limit and set the approval at 10 stories. This is higher than anything alraedy existing in the suburb and only equates to the existing limits around the centeral CBD of Hornsby. Surely this percentage of density needs to be shared.

bellinid Comment 7 11 May 2009, 8:17 AM

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lozza Comment 7.1 12 May 2009, 5:04 PM

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bellinid Comment 7.1.1 12 May 2009, 5:36 PM

Cat Comment 8 15 May 2009, 12:32 PM

I would have thought Hornsby Council be finding ways to "reclaim" back land in Waitara rather transforming it into a concrete eyesore.

Waitara was well & truly sold out to developers even before this latest re-zoning proposal. There are many old 3/4 story unit blocks in Hornsby CBD which can be re-developed, rather than encroaching into what's left in Waitara!

Traffic along Alexandria Pde & Park Ave has increased to the point where the roads & street parking are no longer adequate to deal with the increased population.

Waitara has become a parking lot for the following:

Waitara Railway Station (many from surrounding suburbs)

Existing & surrounding units (including Hornsby)

Waitara Oval

Millennium Gym Waitara

Asquith Leagues Club

Waitara Tennis courts

Waitara bowling club

Waitara retirement village (Waitara Ave)

Willow Park Community Centre

Blue Gum Hotel

Balmoral St Child Care Centre

Waitara Public School

Seven Day Adventist Church

Trades/business persons lunch break at Waitara Oval

Commercial businesses within Waitara & Hornsby (Westfield shopping Center, car dealerships/repairs etc.)

All of the above are competing for parking space.

Waitara must be Sydney's first micro metropolis.

I would have thought Hornsby Council be finding ways to "reclaim" back land in Waitara rather transforming it into a concrete eyesore. Waitara was well & truly sold out to developers even before this latest re-zoning proposal. There are many old 3/4 story unit blocks in Hornsby CBD which can be re-developed,

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emzetic Comment 9 16 May 2009, 11:18 PM

Hi everyone,

Making a comment here is not enough. Please make your view known to the Council by sending a written submission by 1 June 2009.

E-mail: housing@hornsby.nsw.gov.au

Post: The General Manager, Hornsby Shire Council, PO Box37 Hornsby NSW 1630

misapproved Comment 10 18 May 2009, 8:44 PM

Your proposal to rezone this area to 5 story residential flat buildings resulting in 424 additional dwellings will in my opinion place enormous pressure on the existing recreational facilities. At any given time there are always large groups of adults and families using Waitara Park or waiting to use them when sporting events or team training is taking priority over community use. Further Willow Park is always at capacity use. Providing additional housing for possibly in excess of another 1,000 people would be a travesty without first providing further recreational land use. Figures published by the Advocate tell us that the proportion of green space to residents, for Waitara is already within the worst 5 suburbs in Sydney.

Are we not risking our reputation as the ‘Bushland Shire’? Would council be content with the risk of being ridiculed as the ‘Concrete Shire? Where do our children play?

Council has a viable alternative if it considers rezoning the area to the west of Hornsby railway station bounded by the Pacific Highway, Jersey street, William street, and Dural street. There are already lots of parkland in the pool area and the potential to develop further green space. High-rise apartments with a streetscape of boutique shops would not only provide additional housing but would also provide an injection of ‘life and vitality’ to the precinct and boost the numbers of consumers with close access to Westfield shopping center.

Your proposal to rezone this area to 5 story residential flat buildings resulting in 424 additional dwellings will in my opinion place enormous pressure on the existing recreational facilities. At any given time there are always large groups of adults and families using Waitara Park or waiting to use

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bellinid Comment 10.1 19 May 2009, 7:48 AM

Put this in your submission

misapproved Comment 11 18 May 2009, 9:05 PM

The NSW Planning Minister Kristina Keneally has publicly stated that the housing strategy of her government (702 ABC radio Thursday 7th May) is aimed at providing a diversity of housing options in all suburbs to allow older residents the opportunity to remain within their communities if they elect to downsize.

I fail to see how the Council of the Hornsby Shire is applying this principle to the Waitara precinct. By approving the strategy as it exists then only 2 options exist…high density or single story housing (with the possibility of paying excessive rates due to re zoning).

If we accept the principles of the State planning model then Waitara MUST be allowed to have a range of housing available from the existing 8 and 3 stories through single stories and town houses.

The NSW Planning Minister Kristina Keneally has publicly stated that the housing strategy of her government (702 ABC radio Thursday 7th May) is aimed at providing a diversity of housing options in all suburbs to allow older residents the opportunity to remain within their communities if they elect to

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Cat Comment 12 19 May 2009, 10:39 AM

Waitara serves as an example to the rest of Sydney of how Town Planing can go terribly wrong.

Councils across Sydney should use Waitara as the subject of a Case Study to ensure their own municipalities don't share its fate.

We constantly hear Waitara mentioned in this forum as the example for all the wrong reasons. Further development in Waitara would equate to total rape of a once quiet leafy suburb.

Let's not forget the trees which surrounded Waitara Park. Council cut them down 7 years ago, they claimed it was for safety reasons, I say that was an excuse. Developers wanted uninterrupted views of the oval. The trees have been there for 100 years & no deaths to mention!

Waitara serves as an example to the rest of Sydney of how Town Planing can go terribly wrong. Councils across Sydney should use Waitara as the subject of a Case Study to ensure their own municipalities don't share its fate. We constantly hear Waitara mentioned in this forum as the example for all the

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notinmybackyard Comment 13 21 May 2009, 3:40 PM

I hope everyone who commented here has sent a letter or email to council and also cc'd Barry O'Farrell and Judy Hopwood. I'm sorry I don't have their addresses, but please get your letters in. The closing date for submissions is June 1, unless this is extended. The Waitara housing strategy is an abomination. How Mr Scott Phillips and his planning division and their hired consulting guns came up with it defies urban planning logic The dominant housing in Waitara is already multi-unit. Waitara already has the highest high density housing by far in the Shire. This strategy will turn Waitara in a urban high rise ghetto.

I hope everyone who commented here has sent a letter or email to council and also cc'd Barry O'Farrell and Judy Hopwood. I'm sorry I don't have their addresses, but please get your letters in. The closing date for submissions is June 1, unless this is extended. The Waitara housing strategy is an abomination.

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DeePee Comment 14 25 May 2009, 3:28 PM

According to 2006 census; Waitara's proportion of units to total dwellings is 78%. Hornsby is 51%. Asquith is 2%. How about sharing the load around? What about Pennant Hills, Beecroft, Cheltenham or do ratepayers in those area's carry to much clout?

RichardB43 Comment 15 28 May 2009, 2:59 AM

One area of Waitara that perhaps should be targetted for apartments. The West side, Pacific Highway. all the area considered within easy walking distance of the station.

It surely has to be completely illogical to preserve an area next to the station for car based businesses!

As many car "yards" are now moving into "showrooms", why not zone this area for 5 storey mixed residential and commercial ? I'm sure that over the years quite a few would be redeveloped with residential above and showrooms, workshops and various commercial below.

Mind you, that might require some real imgination on the part of the planners. Perhaps a bit too much of an ask ?

One area of Waitara that perhaps should be targetted for apartments. The West side, Pacific Highway. all the area considered within easy walking distance of the station.It surely has to be completely illogical to preserve an area next to the station for car based businesses!As many car "yards" are now

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bellinid Comment 15.1 28 May 2009, 8:46 AM

More efficient land use should be pursued not just for residential development, but for all forms of development and this obviously should include commercial development.

Not only car yrds but also storage facilties (KENNARDS IN HORNSBY on PACIFIC HWY) should be included in this argument. No need for peoples surplus junk to be within walking distance of two railway stations and a large regional centre!

The planners don't really have to do much except give these areas approporiate zonings that faciltiate mixed use development. After that the planners should just stay away and some leading designers- architects, urban designers and landscape architects should design, initially a visionary master plan and then the actual buildings and public places that will realise this master plan

More efficient land use should be pursued not just for residential development, but for all forms of development and this obviously should include commercial development.Not only car yrds but also storage facilties (KENNARDS IN HORNSBY on PACIFIC HWY) should be included in this argument. No need for

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misapproved Comment 16 11 Jun 2009, 5:49 PM

The proposal for the western side of Park avenue is 10 - 8 storeys high...WHY...the maximum height of the surrounding units is 8 storeys? Why are council proposing to increase the height proposal for just this block...how out of character and UGLY would that be.

Surely this impacts the WHOLE of the suburb as these units, if built will look over the 5 storeys on the eastern side and further destroy the ambience and privacy of Balmoral street and beyond.