Question for our State MP

by Captain Scarlet 24 Nov 2007, 12:08pm

Hi. Was just wondering, given her pre-election comments and stated strong interest in the Newcastle Buses Network Review and improving public transport, how often in a week does Ms McKay use Newcastle Buses (and any other public transport) to get to and from work, go shopping or to visit constituents?  

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blakey Comment 1 24 Nov 2007, 3:21 PM

Not sure what that has to do with anything. I think the MP is clearly going out of her way to hear our views - I havent spotted any other politicians making sure we all get a say. Who cares if Mrs Mackay takes the bus or not as long as she listens.

Captain Scarlet Comment 2 25 Nov 2007, 10:12 PM

It has everything to do with the review. How can anyone who does not actually use a service like Newcastle Buses for daily work / shopping / Dr's appointments etc. be factually across experience based issues that affect the rest of us who have to use the service. I look foward to Ms McKay replying to this very simple question for the rest of us. This was a very strong pre-election platform stated publicly by Ms McKay, so it really is a simple question in line with her own comments about improving our services.

NFlyer Comment 2.1 5 Dec 2007, 11:31 AM

Agreed Captain Scarlet - Yesterday it took me not including 10 minutes walking to the bus from 11:34 to 12:22 to Musuem, then from 12:24 to 12:26 to Steel St for a dental appointment. The old times pre-2002 times would have been 11:28 to about 12:01 by the bus.

Jodi McKay AND Matthew Morris, I challenge you two to use our bus route for a few days, and see how hard your government has made it to get to town.

KYH190 Comment 3 26 Nov 2007, 4:26 PM

Sorry Captain Scarlet but I've got to agree with blakey. By your logic an MP would only be able to lobby for improved hospital services if they had spent time gravely ill. The best any MP can do is demonstrate a willingness to listen and then act on that information.

peters Comment 3.1 5 Dec 2007, 11:05 PM

I think public transport is a MAJOR issue for the 21st and 22nd century. Newcastle University's motto is 'I look ahead'. How about we look to the future, and get better services? If there were excellent services, Ms McKay WOULD BE USING the buses everyday, to get to work, to get her shopping, and so on, and would not even need to ask these questions!

Captain Scarlet Comment 4 27 Nov 2007, 8:49 AM

Geez Louise I'd be worried if an MP based such important decisions on an internet forum with - let's face it - a very small number of contributors and opinion sample rate v.s. the actual passenger numbers who use Newcastle Buses. I maintain it's a fair question to ask Ms McKay - I am a constituent - so I look forward to her reply as it is of relevance here.. On the question of getting ill to understand hospitals - it's a lot easier to flag down a bus.

KYH190 Comment 4.1 27 Nov 2007, 6:43 PM

That's probably a fair point. I suppose it's not too hard a catch a bus up Hunter Street every now and then.

trish19 Comment 5 27 Nov 2007, 7:56 PM

I also wonder how many planners and Jodi McKay travel on public buses, especially daily like I do. Lately I have been using private buses as often as I can to Tafe at Glendale as I couldn't get to class on time with public buses. The private buses are more frequently on time and it is an enjoyable experience compared to the public system. I also lived in Perth for 4 years and found the bus system so much more organized with interchanges, and correlating with train services. The Lord Mayor went to Perth some time ago to check out the system but nothing has changed in Newcastle.

Captain Scarlet Comment 6 28 Nov 2007, 6:27 PM

I keep checking in to see if the elected MP Ms McKay has been able to find the time in her hectic schedule to click onto this excellent 'Bang the Table' site and answer this simple question.. I note she found the time to mention 'Bang the Table' on a local ABC Radio interview this week (by phone from Sydney) and on various commercial radio interviews, but it seems that she has been too busy to log on so far.. We, your constituents, look foward to a reply at your earliest convenience please Ms McKay in the interest of genuine discussion about this vital matter. (Alas, if only we were the Pasha Bulker's rudder maybe we would get an answer sooner....)

peters Comment 7 3 Dec 2007, 8:29 AM

I'm not sure if anyone has read Ms McKay's newpaper propoganda titled 'Bus plan a bid to turn drivers into passengers'.

Ms McKay has stated 'When I was elected I made a promise to the poeple of Newcastle to assess and improve bus services and I am folloing through on that promise.' However, all these proposals are from the Unsworth Enquiry and administered by the Ministry of Transport. I was contacted by Ted Barker in July 2006 about these proposed changes to occur.

This was BEFORE Ms McKay even threw her hat in the ring with the help of Morris Iemma. How more…

 

peters Comment 8 3 Dec 2007, 9:40 AM

FACT: Newcastle is the LARGEST city outside of a capital city in Australia.

FACT: Cityrail is one of the most complex rail networks in the WORLD.

QUESTION: Why take away the most used services and alter them making it more difficult and time consuming to get to destinations?

QUESTION: Why are there no increases to frequency of services?! This is a MAJOR city. Or do you disagree? Am I wrong in thinking its a MAJOR city?

FACT: In the year 2000 Newcastle had much better servicing than the proposed changes.

QUESTION: You say 'The network review has been planned and drafted by Newcastle people'. This contradicts the Newcastle Buses and Ferries 'Proposal to pdate the bus network' flyer which states 'will better utilise the strategic coffidors indentifited in the Unsworth Report'. Which statement is true?

QUESTION: Why is there no Broadmeadow - Waratah - University Corridor? (Get on a bus, 226! DURING SEMESTER!)

QUESTION: Are we going to take away more buses and send them to Sydney like during the Olympic Games where we ran on a Sunday Timetable for two weeks? Without any notice to anyone???

NFlyer Comment 8.1 5 Dec 2007, 11:56 AM

TO ADMIN: You may say that politics has nothing to do with this subject, it has EVERYTHING to do with it, otherwise Newcastle would still have a decent GOVERNMENT bus service.

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• LARGEST CITY OUTSIDE CAPITAL CITY

I believe that the Gold Coast might now have that title, then Newcastle, but one reason is that you CAN blame the NSW state government not getting rid of some taxes that the GST was suppose to replace.

. ABOUT TAKING BUS SERVICES AWAY (including well used ones)

I have a feeling it's leading to a possible privatisation, using Newcastle as "guinea pigs"

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QUOTE FACT: In the year more…

 

NFlyer Comment 8.1.1 5 Dec 2007, 12:00 PM

Oh this cut & paste has done it again it should read:

"TO ADMIN: You may say that politics has nothing to do with this subject, it has everything to do with it, as they are GOVERNMENT buses, otherwise Newcastle would still have a decent government bus service."

admin Comment 8.1.1.1 5 Dec 2007, 12:59 PM

COMMENT FROM ADMIN

Hi NFlyer - I certainly didnt mean to imply that this has nothing to do with politics.

Politics is inherent in just about everything about this site and we love it. My intervention below was designed to avoid a discussion about the bus network getting derailed by party political point scoring. If we dont draw a line then the discussion just gets lost and there is a serius community consultation underway here. There is an area on the site called Karthik's Corner where people are free to discuss any issues they choose and that is the place for comments that are more about party politics than the bus network.

peters Comment 8.1.2 5 Dec 2007, 3:21 PM

They DEFINITELY ran a Sunday timetable bus service for two weeks when the olympics were on. They did not even notify the bus drivers til their shift, and told them to drive to Sydney and service Sydney during the olympics.

This took away services for visitors from overseas to Newcastle during the olympics, and made Newcastle services look appauling during the olympics, and local businesses suffered substantially.

How quickly we forget!!!

peters Comment 8.1.3 5 Dec 2007, 3:40 PM

LARGEST CITY OUTSIDE CAPITAL CITY

Ok on this point, it depends how you want to define it.

However, there are many people who commute from Maitland, Port Stephens, the Central Coast and Lake Macquarie who if you include in defining the number of people who use the city, does make it the largest used city outside a capital city for every day purposes.

Again, the Queensland State Government throws a lot of money to the City of the Gold Coast. It's a great pity that the NSW State Government does not do the same for Newcastle. Otherwise we would most likely be more…

 

Captain Scarlet Comment 9 4 Dec 2007, 2:29 PM

Once again our State MP is 'missing in action' or is that 'inaction'?? It is easier to get a response from The Mysterons. Yep, before the election Ms Mckay was seen in the now classic TV 'vote for me' ad looking so desperately concerned at Newcastle Rail Station as the voice-over said something about better public transport.. Sorry folks, she's now firmly in Mr Iemma's pocket.. Wonder how many times our MP has used public transport since the ad was filmed? (for other than a photo shoot that is..) Bet you don't quote this comment in State Parliament Ms McKay.

admin Comment 9.1 5 Dec 2007, 9:24 AM

Hi Captain Scarlet. I dont want to get in the way of genuine debate but please dont use this site as a place to score political points. This is a consultation on the review of the bus network. We do not want it to turn into a political arm wrestle. This is a place for the public to have their say and to be heard. Political point scoring gets in the way of that feedback and is likely to inhibit the public from getting involved.

In case you are genuinely concerned that you are not being listened to let me assure you that we have have asked to provide a comprehensive report on the points raised in this discussion forum. That will take place at the close of consultation.

blakey Comment 10 5 Dec 2007, 9:47 AM

I'm glad the MP hasnt entered into this silly debate. Its her job to listen not to argue. I dont expect she does get the bus much and I dont care either. She could grandly get on a bus with a photographer once a year and claim to fully understand the experience but really, unless you rely on the bus with no alternative every day you could not understand users. MPs are never going to be in that position. What is important is listening to real users like on this site. You dont have to be sick to represent the sick and you dont have to be a bus user to represent bus users - you just have to listen.

Captain Scarlet Comment 11 11 Dec 2007, 2:23 PM

Blakey writes: "I dont expect she does get the bus much and I dont care either" It's a great shame you don't. Even using only public transport for a month to do their job, go shopping, visit constituents etc. would give an MP - any MP - an absolutely first hand 'heads up' on what the rest of the folks who do use Newcastle Buses experience year in and year out - rain, hail and shine - which can only ASSIST the Network Review. It's a shame there are apologists for any MP that does not choose to actually get some real experience in such an important issue as this. 'Bang the Table' is a VERY worthy source of information, but there is no substitute for being 'on the ground' as well. Blakey seems to indicate by his responses that MP's are perhaps 'too important' to do what the rest of us HAVE to do.. which is a great shame, because therin lies the problem with so many decisions from those above..

Captain Scarlet Comment 12 14 Dec 2007, 10:56 AM

Interesting concept, this www gathering of ideas for Ms McKay and congratulations to the folks behind 'Bang the Table'. Interesting too to see how much of the planned 'windfall' revenue from the State Government's planned $15 billion sale of Hunter Valley retail power companies and leased power stations - a sell-off that Ms McKay supported apparently - comes back to Newcastle and the Lake in the form of serious revenue for extra staff and State Transit buses. Extra dollars is the only way an ever-expanding population area can be serviced. So, instead of a magic cross-Sydney French style metro railway fantasy as stated by your Premier Mr Iemma, how about it Ms McKay - 1 Billion dollars for OUR public transport systems? e.g. Stewart Avenue and Adamstown overpasses.. return of trams / light rail.. proper integration of bus / rail services.. serious financial (tax rebate incentives) for people NOT to use cars in the CBD area and instead use public transport..

admin Comment 12.1 16 Dec 2007, 8:26 PM

ADMIN COMMENT

Hi Captain Scarlet - I could question the relevance of this to the current review but you were nice to us so I will let it stand! Thanks for all your contributions.

Bigfeller Comment 12.2 16 Dec 2007, 10:17 PM

Extra dollars are not the answer. At this point we have heaps of money. It is simply being wasted on grossly oversized vehicles. Remember for every km travelled there are only about 1.5 passengers. Thats 58.5 empty seats so a 10 seater bus would still have 8.5 empty seats!

A fleet of smaller buses operating at high frequency will attract lots of new passengers as the bus will become a viable alternative, less environmentally harmful and meet the travelling publics needs.

man3668 Comment 12.2.1 17 Dec 2007, 10:01 PM

You have to remember those figures are averaged out over an awfully long period of time. Most buses I catch carry an almost full-seated load at SOME point (even if it's only for two stops), especially towards the City end. Plus with scheduling it would be easier to have big buses which could do all routes I imagine. Arguably bigger buses are safer as well.

Bigfeller Comment 12.2.1.1 30 Dec 2007, 1:03 PM

The figures of 1.5 passengers or less is repeated almost every week, every month every year. Please take trouble to consult the STA Annual Report and esp the Newcastle data. You will find my facts correct.

I have not seen any statistics to show smaller buses are any less safe.Can you provide any?

Please also remember most mini buses (and lots of midi buses)do not permit standing and are fitted with seat belts.

You are not allowed to stand your passengers in your car and you the driver can loose YOUR licence if YOUR passengers do not wear seat belts!

May be the safety stats for the big buses is high because there are so few passengers?

blakey Comment 13 18 Dec 2007, 8:40 AM

I've started an integrated transprt for Newcastle discussion in the open forum section of this website (press projects at the top of the page and select open forum) please come and discuss.

Bigfeller Comment 13.1 30 Dec 2007, 1:07 PM

This is the place for this discussion at this point of time as the Newcastle buses are being revised.

If we were having a full review of Newcastle buses and not this "cut justification exercise" we would all be able to contribute for the betterment of Newcastle, its people and its visitors.

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