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Should land size be a major consideration in heavy vehicle parking laws?
The former Logan did not require a licence if your property was bigger than 4,500m2. The former Gold Coast had no set limit and all landowners had to have a licence to park a heavy vehicle. What are your thoughts on land size? What should it be?
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Comment 1 21 Jul 2009, 11:22 PM
There should never be a licence regardless of land size for a single truck/truck trailer combination , perhaps for multiple vehicle storage a licence/permit would be fair regardless of property size but for the average truck driver who has just driven thousands of km's & hasn't been home for a week just wants to go home and sleep or spend one day with his family before he leaves for another week or two .
As long as the truck is not causing a danger to traffic/people using the street then no licence should apply ,under current laws in logan without a more…
Comment 1.1 22 Jul 2009, 4:03 PM
The size of land and the rights of land owners should be taken into consideration. A great number of people moved to Beaudesert Shire to place their Truck business out of other peoples way. The regulation should read if you have greater than 4 acres you should be able to have the right to have some heavy vehicles, or many other type of business that you may choose to provide for your family and others. You should be able to fence or screen it from view and should have regulated working hours etc. People forget the convenience provided by transport. more…
Comment 1.1.1 23 Jul 2009, 3:58 PM
We have a small business but we moved to the area because there was no laws regarding trucks! None, what so ever. We have 1.5 acres and it is more then enough room to without it being an eyesore as we have developed another driveway which goes behind the house so no one can even see there is a truck behind there! All our neightbours are fine with it as we try to be as reasonable as we can but it makes it hard when there is just one arrogant neighbour who has nothing better to do with their time then complain! Do we complain to the council when he mows everyday and wakes up the children or their dogs bark at all hours throughout the day when they arent home?! NO! We moved to out here for a better lifestyle of living, for our children and for our business. We are doing it hard enough as it is, cant you just give us a break??!!
Comment 2 24 Jul 2009, 2:46 PM
I believe that most truck drivers that were in the Beaudesert/Gold Coast shire before the amalgamation were there because the laws allowed them to park their truck on their property. We have neighbours that have V8 cars, kids motorbikes and jet ski's that run longer and are much louder than any truck but they have no restrictions. To force someone to pay a license to park on their own property is wrong. I believe that if you have an acre or more there should be no restrictions except for the usual noise restictions. Most truck drivers are only doing what absolutely needs to be done when they are arriving or leaving a property. There will always be the odd one that takes advantage and will make noise all weekend but why punish the average hard working truckie for the one or two cowboys (this happens no matter what industry). I think we all forget just how products end up at the supermarket / shopping centres.
Comment 3 24 Jul 2009, 9:31 PM
Having lived in the northern end of the Beaudesert shire for more than 20 years, and having trucks (employing 4 drivers), we could not afford to pay for the hire of a yard or property for our vehicles, that is why we bought a 5 acre property with access to a fairly major road. We have never in that time had one complaint from neighbours and we are considerate of their needs also. We have motorbikes that travel along our road that make more noise than any trucks do. The council needs to be fair and relize that trucks are the foundation of the Nation without transport the country comes to a standstill.
Comment 4 25 Jul 2009, 7:13 PM
Of course land size is important. At present the land size is far too small and should be at least 5 acres with at least 30 metres from the heavy vehicle to the nearest neighbouring boundary. Who wants to live next door to these visual eyesores? The fumes, noise and vibration should not have to be put up with. If you want the luxury of parking your heavy vehicle at home then simply buy a large acreage preferably many kilometres from any residential area.
Comment 5 27 Jul 2009, 10:56 AM
No, land size should not matter, if we can park inside our fence boundary. If we do not disturbe our neighbours in reasonable working hours, why shouldn't be able to park at home where some of us work from. We can't afford to lease a yard in an industrial estate, and buy a car to go between truck and home just to satisfy the local council.
Comment 5.1 14 Aug 2009, 12:13 PM
totally agree. if the truck is parked away on the property and doesnt distrub the direct neighbours - whats the problem???
Comment 6 28 Jul 2009, 1:40 PM
. I have lived in the northern end of Beaudesert Shire for 18 years and moved here before the amalgamation to enable me to park my trucks on my property. I believe that to force someone to pay to park on their own property is wrong. That's why I moved here so I would not annoy neighbours by bringing my trucks home. I cannot afford to lease a property in an industrial estate and install surveillance equipment to stop any vandalisism which is a constant problem in Logan shire. People should rememeber how their groceries etc are distributed around this country.
Comment 7 29 Jul 2009, 3:04 PM
We moved out of the Logan Council jurisdiction and onto an acre of land in Beaudesert Council 15 years ago for the very purpose of being able to park our truck on our property. The house was built to allow enough room for the truck to be parked at the rear of the property where it is not dangerous and does not pose a threat to anyone.
There are many trucks in our estate and the average size block is one acre. I am sure that many of these truck owners moved here for the same reason. I understand some people more…
Comment 7.1 30 Jul 2009, 7:38 AM
I agree that council should not be charging an annual fee as it does not stop the problems of trucks/heavy machinary. We have lived in the Northern Beaudesert Shire for 20 years and in that time have seen a huge increase in the number of heavy transport parked on properties, roadways, public areas etc. These are not benign. Trucks are an eyesaw as MOST owners do not seem to give a toss as to their impact on local residences. Suburban and local roads are not built for trucks (have a look at the roadway near truck properties the bitumen is breaking up, footpaths are damaged and create a hazard for other road uses and pedestrians alike. Trucks need to be parked in secure, truck parking bays within Industrial estates and get them out of residential areas which includes rural residential.
Comment 7.1.1 31 Jul 2009, 8:13 PM
Well said villager, we are amongst the huge majority of people who see the sense in parking these vehicles where they belong, in industrial zones far away from residential properties. What are these people thinking that all of us should put up with the huge list of problems which exist around this type of vehicle being parked in residential areas. It is so easy for these people to be blinded from the truth when the only interest they have is a vested one.
Comment 8 3 Aug 2009, 1:08 PM
We moved from Redlands to avoid these permits. We live on 5000m and have 2 trucks, one doesn't get used much at all because it's just to transport our earthmoving equipment & since we only have 1 driver only 1 can be used at a time. We couldn't afford to pay to park the other one anywhere, there isn't enough work around to even pay the application fee, that would be denied anyway!
Comment 9 4 Aug 2009, 12:18 PM
We have one truck & trailer which is parked overnight (and when not working)to the rear of our 1hectare (2 acre) property with a colourbond fence and mature screen trees between it and the rear neighbour, and mature screening trees and a timber fence between it and the side neighbour. As responsible citizens, like many others, we moved to Beaudesert Shire from Logan (19 years ago) - only to be 'amalgamated' against our wishes.
The current truck parking laws which apply in Logan residential areas are acceptable. The former Beaudesert Shire laws are also acceptable and there was considerable debate when they were introduced, so why can't the council 'amalgamate' the truck parking laws and let the status quo continue? I guess because there's no revenue in that proposal?
Comment 9.1 5 Aug 2009, 7:13 AM
Glad to see you being so considerate but the laws like any laws are there to protect the majority from the minority who will always do the wrong thing. I still believe the council needs to be more proactive than they are at the moment especially in the Logan area. They too easily give out permission to park on properties but never check to see if trucks comply, it's not that hard to see if a truck owner has done any landscaping. And yes $900 does seem excessive.
Comment 10 6 Aug 2009, 7:34 AM
Went to the Logan Village meeting and got council handout re: the proposed new law. Did as advised and went to council website to check our land size and zoning. Guess what? We cannot access it online because council records are not available for our area. We get our rate notices ok so we must exist on the system somewhere. How many others have this problem?
Comment 11 7 Aug 2009, 12:26 PM
Property rights are essential to freedom, justice, peace and prosperity. They are basic rights. Despite common law and constitutional protections, property rights are increasingly being eroded by the modern regulatory state. The time has come to restore respect for property rights for all landowners.
That is to say it is a rediculous concept that a permit is required to park your legally registered vehicle on your own private property!!
Comment 11.1 7 Aug 2009, 3:33 PM
Property rights, what about my rights to enjoy my property without trucks etc ruining my lifestyle. What about the neighbours who do what they like on their property like not plumbing water tanks into the stormwater and letting the run off flow onto the neighbouring properties.What about noisy pool pumps and dogs. What about my rights to have unregistered cats because they never leave the house yes I said house not yard. If every one did the right thing by their neighbours there wouldn't be any need for rules.