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Should Logan City Council apply more exemptions to the heavy vehicle parking law?
Logan City Council has already proposed some exemptions to the heavy vehicle ruling (eg emergency vehicles and land over a certain size). Should there be more exemptions?
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Comment 1 22 Jul 2009, 11:12 PM
The survey needs to provide a wider scope where sizes & dimensions are concerned . The 10 metre from a neighbourrule seems to be reasonable, but even there a lot of vehicles would have trouble if required to comply strictly.
Six or eight tonnes is not an un-common size for a truck .
A two axle curtainsider can sometimes be quieter than the V-8 next door & more often LOTS quieter than the Harley up the street.
Comment 1.1 27 Jul 2009, 10:32 AM
I have a relativly new, and quiet 6 tonne truck parked inside my fence boundary. I leave at 7am and I am home again by 4-5pm Mon-Fri. There are many cars in my neighbourhood that are noisier than my truck an they leave around 5am. Why should I pay $900 application fee to park in my own yard, where it has been parked for the past three years?
Comment 1.1.1 29 Jul 2009, 5:58 PM
Sorry 'mitzy' times change and now is the time to assist in making your neighbourhood a better place to live. Park your truck in an industrial zone where it belongs or move to a large acreage and pay the $900 as well. There is no escape...this will happen.
Comment 2 25 Jul 2009, 6:40 PM
The Logan City Council should make it far more difficult for heavy vehicle owners to park within residential areas. The land size limit should be at least 5 acres and the distance from the heavy vehicle to the adjoining property boundary should be at least 30 metres. If a permit is granted, Council should do regular checks on compliance of the rules set for that permit. It is a ridiculous state of affairs at present allowing such vehicles to park in residential areas for many reasons including, noise, fumes,
adverse effects on the visual ammenity, safety and the list goes on. The only people to disagree with this would obviously be truck owners/drivers who have a vested interest in the absurdity of this situation.
Comment 2.1 27 Jul 2009, 10:44 AM
We can't all afford to live on acerage, sorry. We still have to make a living though.
Comment 2.1.1 27 Jul 2009, 12:32 PM
living on acreage and whether you can afford it is not the issue The issue is the impact these heavy vehicles has on the neighbourhood. I would have thought though that on a non acreage block or area there would be even more reason to have laws controlling them. It's a matter of residents versus trucks and unfortunately not all appear to be as considerate as you. And yes there are other noisy vehicles but there are also laws against any excessive noise but noise is not the only issue and besides "two wrongs do not make a right".
Comment 2.1.2 29 Jul 2009, 5:50 PM
Just consider the repurcussions of your actions, if you cannot change that then it is time to change your job. Try walking in others shoes and open up your mind... you will get the message.
Comment 2.2 27 Jul 2009, 12:59 PM
I am not a heavy vehicle owner and strongly disagree with this statement.
When I built my home nothing would have been deliveredif there were no heavy vehicles. I could not furnsh my home. I would be unable to buy basic food and amenities as heavy vehciles have to deliver these items.
Heavy vehcile owners need to earn a living just like the rest of us. I believe if they are legitimatley causing a problem it should be dealt with on a case by case basis.
I also believe that you should be able to park your own vehciles on your own land and as I say unless there is a fair dinkum problem leave them alone
Comment 2.2.1 27 Jul 2009, 2:04 PM
Thank you. Someone makes sense at last. Yes, the council needs to look at every case individually, not try to label all trucks the same. Our medium size truck is parked inside our yard. The council employed bus drives past our house, making a bone shaking noise. Try complaining about little Johnny driving past at over 100klm in a 50klm zone, not empty trucks pulling slowly and quietly into their own yards.
Comment 2.2.2 29 Jul 2009, 5:52 PM
Hey 'doodie' try living next to one.
Comment 2.2.3 29 Jul 2009, 6:31 PM
Thank you for your comments. We own a semi trailer and currently rent a property. This property was set up for trucks by the owner. Parking is at the rear of the property and cannot be seen from the street.
As an owner of just one truck/trailer combination we do not have a depot and when you sub-contract to companies they do not all allow you to park in their depots so what choice do we have but to bring our trucks home.
We try to be considerate of our neighbours and have not had any complaints. They even keep an eye on our property when we are away.
Everybody is allowed to make a living as they see fit but there is no need to punish people with laws that are just a way of putting money in pockets of local governments. Doesn't the state and federal governments get enough for everyone.
And, yes, like everyone else we are taxpayers.
Comment 3 27 Jul 2009, 10:42 AM
This appears to be a terrific money earner for the council. Who gets the $900 application fee for the permit to park in your own yard? I will bet the local neighbourhood will never see any of it. Who moves their furniture & picks up their new lounge suites for free? The local truckie in the neighbourhood, not the local council, that's for sure.
Comment 3.1 27 Jul 2009, 11:14 AM
Frankly I am sick of truckies using the excuSe that someone has to move things and keep the country running AND THAT IS WHY I should put up with my lifestyle in my own peroperty being ruined just because they feel they have this right. No one has any right to do what they like and that includes truck drivers. Remember with rights always comes responsibility[ a cliche but nevertheless true] and the council does need to make laws as with anything as there is always the minority who will abuse their rights. In this case irresponsible truck drivers who more…
Comment 3.1.1 27 Jul 2009, 2:19 PM
Fair enough, it sounds like you may need to speak with your neighbour. We are not all the same. Try to see it from a different point of view. We live in a residential area too, do you think we want to make it noisey for anyone, including our own families? Of course not. I don't want to hear someone revving their car or motorbike all weekend either. If someone is building a new house or renovating, there is noise. "With rights always comes responsibility" you say. What about common sense, and being a friendly neighbour. Go and speak with your neighbour, surely if you ask nicely, you might just get somewhere.
Comment 3.1.1.1 27 Jul 2009, 3:15 PM
HE WON'T LISTEN.
Comment 3.1.1.1.1 27 Jul 2009, 3:21 PM
NOW is when you need to ring your local council member, or at least speak with someone in his office, and lodge a complaint. Do it whilst the noise is going on, take the phone outside with you if you can. No-one should have to put up with unnecessary noise. But remember, not all truckies are like that. Most are very considerate of all their neighbours.
Comment 3.1.1.1.1.1 27 Jul 2009, 3:35 PM
As I have said previously when I lodged my complaint the council told this fellow who did it and I am not prepared to complain again as he will automatically assume who complained and I am not prepared to wear the consequences. And, yes I did complain to the council for what good an apology did as this fellow made sure the whole street knew about it. It's easy to agree with him if you are not directly affected. Have you ever tried to get a council officer at 3.30 in the morning or on weekends. Don't try telling me more…
Comment 3.1.1.1.1.1.1 29 Jul 2009, 8:40 AM
Trouble is - lodging a complaint should be all that's necessary - why is the council ignoring you? Are we all puting our points across here for nothing - it seems everyone is complaining about prime movers and trailers (semi-trailers). So why do smaller rigid trucks, who do not have a depot to park at, have to pay to park at home? Why is the council ignoring complaints about the much bigger trucks, and then making it difficult for all truckies to earn a living, working from home. Don't we have rights too. If there was a semi parking over the road from me and making noises at ridiculous hours, I would lodge a complaint too. Why should all truck drivers & owners pay for the mistakes of a few? Few are disturbing the peace, not all. Like I said, not all owner drivers have depot to leave their trucks at. Asking us to leave our vehicles 20-30 minutes drive away from home on the side of the road is ridiculous. Not something anyone should be forced to do.
Comment 3.1.1.1.1.1.2 18 Aug 2009, 4:06 PM
Now we're getting down to the nitty gritty lydevon. It's not really about trucks in general for you. It's about one truck and the owner of that truck. And you know what? I totally agree with you. No-one needs to live in those conditions. I'd be mighty peeved, I can assure you. The council should bring the law down on this bloke and bring it down hard. But assuming ALL trucks and owners are the same as this idiot, is very very sad. While not a "churchie", I do try to "love thy nieghbour" and "do unto others". I leave for work very early, an unfortunate requirement of my particular endeavour. I do this so I can happily label myself a good provider for my family. So my kids may gain a good honest work ethic. So they have a roof over their heads and are not straying the streets at 2 in the morning. We, as a group in this forum, should be rallying this gutless, spineless council and force them to monitor the perpitrators of peace...ie your nieghbour for starters. Please lydevon, don't tar us all with the same brush
Comment 3.1.1.1.1.1.2.1 19 Aug 2009, 11:01 AM
I am not trying to tar you all with the same brush but from my experience with truckies and there are others they still seem to think they can do what they have always done for years without taking into account that the nature of this suburb has changed dramatically from being as the real estate agents used to advertise as suitable for a trucking business. Even though it's a one acreage estate it's proximity to major business centres now means that these people are now in the minority. But then maybe those moving here should sus out their neighbours more…
Comment 3.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 19 Aug 2009, 4:08 PM
at the end of the day(gee I hate that phrase!!!!), the $900 app. fee and the $152 a year fee while not achieve anything. You will still have your ignorant nieghbour, I'll be 1000 bucks lighter and nothing will change. Sorry, but this is just a money grab, so council can have nice new leather seating so they have somewhere comfy to sit and debate another law that will cheat us ALL of more money.
Comment 3.1.1.1.2 20 Aug 2009, 5:30 PM
Have you tried. And if so how did you approach him. From the wording in your comment you seem angry and that is not a good way to approach someone. I can understand your frustration.
Comment 3.1.1.1.2.1 21 Aug 2009, 8:22 AM
Read my previous comments and as he won't listen what's the point. As i've said I am not prepared to put myself or my family at risk seeing as the counciol advised him who made the complaint. What good did an apology from the council do when he would automatically assume any complaint would come from me. By the way he cae storming over to me after I complained to him about my issue. Sorry once bitten twice shy.
Comment 3.1.1.1.3 20 Aug 2009, 5:31 PM
Removed by moderator - this was a duplicate comment
Comment 4 31 Jul 2009, 7:23 PM
Council seems to take a 'one size fits all' attitude.
They think a truck is a truck whether it is 4.5 t GVM or 64 t GVM.
The crossover must be of the same construction no matter what size vehicle resides on the property.
A total rethink of these poorly written rules is in order.
These rules should not be retrospective either.
I have planned my property in such a way as to run my business with minimal disruption to my fellow neighbours.
So the council boundries change and I am expected to change my whole property layout to suit?
This is so unfair..
Comment 5 23 Aug 2009, 10:18 PM
How about a size and a usage exemption - I have a Unimog Camper that has a GVM of 7.5 tons - and it is shorter than a F350 and it lives in or next to my shed - why can't I park it at home anymore?
Comment 6 28 Aug 2009, 12:01 PM
I have for over twenty years lived at my current address at Greenbank on 4600m2. I came here because I didn't want to live on a smaller residental block. Life has been good here till December 2007 when the neighbour was employed by a trucking company and started bring home the prime mover with a semi-trailer attached. Every Monday thru till Friday morning we are woken from our sleep - as early as 2am, to the truck starting up and driving within 20 metres of our bedroom. This same truck can come home as late as 11pm at night. We more…