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Should Logan City Council weigh neighbourhood and livelihood equally?
Logan City Council wants to minimise the affect on the neighbourhood but still take into account the need for owners/drivers of heavy vehicles to have a livelihood. Do you agree?
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Comment 1 22 Jul 2009, 8:59 AM
I know that truck drivers have to make a living but not at the expense of their neighbours. We have one over 4.5 tonne plus his trailer who seems to still have no regard for his neighbours. THe council gave him permission to park at his home but he still does't comply with the orders placed on him in the development application. There are still two trucks coming and going, he reverses into the driveway, will leave it running for up to 15 minutes, works on it constantly including having an industrial welder operating non stop during daylight hours two more…
Comment 1.1 22 Jul 2009, 2:31 PM
i know that you think all trucks are smelly and dirty but they are a part of delivery life for YOUR products that you buy in the shops etc.i think that the answer to your problem is to contact the council and have them make the owner of the truck you mention abide by the rules of his application.people who own trucks and are abiding by the rules are being disadvantaged by idiots like your neighbour
Comment 1.1.1 23 Jul 2009, 9:28 AM
I did not say all trucks are smelly and dirty and am more than aware that they need to make a living, however, so do we and if you work in an industrial estate all week you don't want to come home and find the same sort of thing in your neighbourhood whereyou should be protected from that sort of thing. I still believe council should be conducting spot checks on these people especially when they know there has been an issue in the past. They don't even need to see him, as a visual inspection will show that the more…
Comment 1.2 22 Jul 2009, 10:04 PM
Many of the heavy vehicle operators living in this area try very hard not to make their neighbours un-comfortable about having a truck in the neighborhood.
I have lived in the area for 25 years and in that time have had one neighbour who complained, I spoke with the Council Inspector who in turn spoke with the gentleman & his issue was resolved.
I park my trailer elsewhere so that my friends have no problems , indeed most of them have from time to time made use of the trucks or my knowledge or services to their advantage.
If this fellow chooses not to be part of your community then you should inform him of your discomfort & displeasure if he is not inclined to be courteous & considerate then by all means take the issue to a conclusion & do not be intimidated by his attitude
Comment 1.3 23 Jul 2009, 4:45 AM
Deal with the offending truck driver. Why penalise others that are doing the right thing.Twenty two years in the Beaudesert Shire,now Logan,Eight years in Logan,not one complaint
Comment 1.4 23 Jul 2009, 2:20 PM
Just a thought. Would you be happy to pay $900 for an application for a license, to play your favorite song on your ipod with headphones on? All because someone else was listening to THEIR favorite song on an ipod and got run over by a, say, truck! Because of their ignorance, you now have to PAY to do what you had been doing for years without incidence, because you are NOT ignorent. Simple analogy, I know, but that is how pathetic this debate is. In all honesty, if this weak excuse for a council(the reason we left Logan and more…
Comment 1.4.1 27 Jul 2009, 10:06 AM
Big trucks have no place in a residential area--I see you are taking your neighbours in consideration --- they must be hard of hearing! Are you also this concerned to make up the shortfall in property value when your neighbour sells his property?
Comment 1.4.1.1 18 Aug 2009, 2:18 PM
Well, I think my nieghbour may have to pay me my friend, as my property is a damn sight tidier and maintained than his. And no, they are not hard of hearing, my truck is not noisy. However, the continuous barking of their 2 idiot dogs is....; anything else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Comment 1.5 23 Jul 2009, 2:51 PM
I realise these drivers need to make a living.
But I also know very few of them need to bring the vehicle home.
Our next door neighbour just did not want to drive to work to pick up his truck.
But don't we all have to find our own way to work?
His great long semi-trailer was an eyesore, obstructed our view of any oncoming traffic when leaving our own driveway, and it also downgraded our street.
I do know they have alternative parking.
We were not upset when the landlord kicked him out.
Comment 1.5.1 23 Jul 2009, 3:01 PM
We have a new resident in our street who insisted on parking his garbage truck outside his house or sometimes cramed into the yard on his driveway (just outside his own front door).
We live a few doors down but can smell it whenever it is there.
I believe he had been told by the Council a couple of times to remove it. I hope with the last warning he took notice, as we have not seen it for a couple of weeks.
Our Logan Council is efforting to make Logan the place to be, but this couldn't-care-about-anyone else neighbour is trying to turn the place into a slum.
This certainly counters the Lord Mayor's 'Beautify Logan' efforts.
Comment 1.5.2 23 Jul 2009, 4:06 PM
You are obviously not a truck driver, my partner is up at 4 in the morning to leave and doesn't arrive home until 8 at night. This is with the truck being parked at home. If he had to drive to an alternative parking spot that would take an extra hour both ways. You do the math! When is he supposed to sleep and see his children?
Comment 1.5.2.1 23 Jul 2009, 4:37 PM
It's not only truck drivers working odd hours this applies to any number of different jobs and leaving at 4 in the morning if it is over 4.5 tonne is not permitted by council anyway. They stipulate 6am. If smaller then I presume he tries to be considerate and unfortunately not sleeping is a by-product of trucks or any loud vehicle leaving early in the morning. In our case it was leaving at 3.30am after warming up for 15 minutes and coming home at night at 11pm or even 1.30 the next morning. As to not seeing his children that seems to be a major issue with all types of employment not just because he drives a truck.
Comment 1.5.3 6 Aug 2009, 12:38 PM
i have noticed that the people complaining are complaining about drivers who work for someone else and not the owner drivers so now we get labeled the same
Comment 1.5.3.1 6 Aug 2009, 1:32 PM
Hate to disagree but the truck opposite me is an owner driver with two trucks[semis mind you] operating out of a one acre block. He is the one with a very arrogant attitude and his only comment when we complained about him leaving at 3.30am after idling for 15 minutes was that not everyone starts at 6am. He cannot seem to acknowledge that this is a residential area and only got a permit after complaints about his hours and that he did have up to 3 semis and trailers there at times and this being a cul de sac. There more…
Comment 1.5.4 11 Aug 2009, 3:22 PM
You have lost the plot of the descussion, we are talking of owner drivers who own the truck and own the land they are parking on. I own my truck and my land and for legal purposes my business is registered at my home address. NEWS FLASH ALL insurance companies require a registered adress where the vehicle is parked, if I park my vehicle down the road it is not insured, are you going to cover damages and replacement cost vehicle if stolen. I don't believe my $2,200,000 truck is ugly, what if we go and have a look at you place, is the yard mowed, the gardens clean no rubbish around the yard, no ugly caravan or boats, no barking noisy dogs or straying cats. get a life and a reality check.
Comment 1.5.4.1 12 Aug 2009, 7:35 AM
I think you have lost the plot this guy does own the vehicle and the land and there is no need to get personal and I take pride in my property and no there are non of the above. the only stray cats come from the neighbours as my stay in the house. I am particularly proud of my native fauna friendly garden and I don,t have barking dogs caravans etc. You don't know me so don't make assumptions.
Comment 1.5.4.1.1 19 Aug 2009, 12:17 PM
You have made a very good statement "you don't know me' that goes for everyone but this whole argument is made up of assumptions. If you property is as you say the I congratulate you, job well done! I have my truck, but I also have 2 neighbours with the barking dogs, one with a yard that looks like a construction site and another that loves his noisy car. I try to be low keyed and respect my neighbours by trying not to make much noise, but keeping some people neighbours happy is ... What would be good for this discussion would be for council to indicate what is covered by existing stste gov laws (eg exhause noise, using tools and hours of use, driving behaviour) and what is relevant to parking a heavy vehicle. Think about the people living next to Telstra techs, concretors, builders etc, they make noise, polution, etc but because they are not large and visable they seem to go under the radar
Comment 1.5.4.1.1.1 19 Aug 2009, 12:36 PM
Thank you for being such a considerate neighbour just wish you were mine.
Comment 1.6 27 Jul 2009, 9:53 AM
I fully agree with this complaint in all it's facets, but will like to add that my family and i were forced off our residential roads by two large trucks.As both of these trucks are parked in Forestdale I find it arrogant of them not to have even stopped to enquire about our well being.Obviously they were not aware of this fact or just did not care. We live in a RESIDENTIAL ESTATE,not an industrial estate and as such residents should not be exposed to all the aggravations and dangers caused by these huge trucks. Furthermore, I feel it is the council's absolute duty to protect it's residents and the properties. The council is the only body that can do this and in my opinion, has failed to do so.
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Comment 1.6.1 27 Jul 2009, 12:04 PM
Well said I too live in Forestdale and have issues with trucks as stated previously. This area is fast being turned into a truck estate not residential and it doesn't help where the real estate agents have advertised blocks in the area as being suitable for trucks. Let's get back to basics where residents have a say and council checks on these people, I sure many of them don't even have permits, why doesn't the council do checks like they do for unregistered dogs.
Comment 1.6.1.1 6 Aug 2009, 12:45 PM
it seems like the 99% of truckies are being picked on. What if we all have to have a permit to have a boat,caravan,party,repair cars,loud exhaust, more than 2 cars at property, drive your car away from home out of hours,lawnmower,weedeater,horses,cows see how stupid it is as all those things make noise and are annoying to some
Comment 1.6.2 30 Jul 2009, 7:51 AM
In this situation it is not the council that is the official department. Take the rego number and ring the police, this is dangerous driving and is not limited to truckies, I know I have been forced off the road by a 4wheel drive driven by an elegantly dresed female!
Comment 1.6.2.1 31 Jul 2009, 6:27 PM
What has this got to do with Heavy Vehicle Parking and the rights of people not having to put up with the noise, pollution, vibration, visual pollution etc etc? Heavy vehicles do not belong in residential areas. Please get real.
Comment 1.6.2.1.1 11 Aug 2009, 3:32 PM
who made YOU dictator to decide who and what belongs in a residential area. I own my truck and I have just as much rights and say as you in a residential area. Pollution vibration, visual pollution, noise- what about the polution from cars and bikes, noise from bombox cars going down the road, load car exhausts, tit for tat, and if you check you facts diesel engins are less poluting and more heavily regulated than petrol engines.
Comment 1.7 30 Jul 2009, 7:45 AM
I agree, I live in an acerage area and have several very considerate neighbours who are truck owner drivers. I have, in the 14years I have lived here, had no reason to complain to or about any of them. Its not the ordinary truck owner driver thats the problem. Unfortunately its a fact of life that there are rogues and mongrels in every occupation and we only hear about the bad not the good.
I do believe that trucks should not be parked in urban streets as the houses are too close together and even stereos in the home can be heard, but leave the 1.5acre or more truck drivers alone unless they cause a disturbance contrary to the peaceful enjoyment of the neighbourhood which is our right as an australian taxpayer.
No I am not a truckie, nor married to one! I have lovely considerate neighbours!
Comment 1.8 15 Aug 2009, 12:36 PM
I think you will find that on acreage properties, having truck access, truck parking or a shed for a truck are all major selling points when people look for property out there. You cant honestly think it'll reduce the value of your home if your neighbor has a truck-in our case it was good to see that 4 other neighbors had trucks as we aren't the only ones!But in saying that-I think your problem is that your neighbor keeps his place like a dump-in which case probably has something to do with the fact that he's lazy and not because he is a truck driver.
Comment 2 24 Jul 2009, 2:54 PM
If there is no issue now with the old Beaudesert/Gold Coast areas - eg Logan Village / Buccan / Jimboomba areas - as these are mostly acerage - then why change things. Why enforce yet more fees onto hard working truck drivers. What will these fees go to pay ? Not alternative secure parking areas !! The truck drivers that are noisy (and we have one down the road from us) should be confronted and dealt with but for all the others that are just wanting to arrive home from work and do what everyone else in the neighbourhood does then they should not be penalised.
Comment 2.1 4 Aug 2009, 3:44 PM
I totally agree why should council change now. We as a truck owner specifically move out to acerage to be out of suburbia if people decide to move out here they need to take that into consideration. We have only one truck which is parked in our shed carport off the road and out of sight we are being punished for the morons that aren't considerate of their neighbours. What services are we actually paying for if we pay this fee, council are not supplying us any extra are they.
Comment 3 25 Jul 2009, 9:09 AM
We live on a small residential acreage (1 acre) and both of our neighbours park heavy vehicles in their property coming and going as they please.. One is a very old semi trailer which is extremely noisy and smelly, the other is nearly as bad. Both of these people contravene their permits by carrying out mechanical works onsite, hosing down there trucks without any concern for the environment and running their trucks well over the allowed times. The semi trailer continually endangers the lives of road users when he exits his property as he has to use the wrong side more…
Comment 3.1 25 Jul 2009, 10:20 AM
Could not have said it better. However, we do need to stipulate what size residential propeerty these trucks can park on. I would consider anything up to at least 2 acres is way too small even 5 acres could be too small if the trucks are right next to another persons residence. Therefore, each case needs to be judged on its' merit but certainly 1 to 2 acres is too small.
Comment 3.1.1 25 Jul 2009, 1:33 PM
Totally agree. Council should consider noise, fumes, visual disturbance, vibration, environmental impacts etc etc before handing out any heavy vehicle parking permits. Also the cost of a sufficiently high, noise barrier or fence erected by the owner at their expense together with heavy landscaping. I would agree with a 5 acre limit with limitations dependant on individual circumstances.
Comment 3.1.1.1 27 Jul 2009, 1:37 PM
You seem to forget, everything you buy in the supermarket, every item of clothing you purchase, tables, chairs, blankets, everything is delivered by truck. What is that sign we see on the back of semi's "Without Trucks-Australia Stops". If we truck drivers could afford all the application fees, permits, barriers, fences and 5 acre blocks you mention, we would not be driving trucks. All truck drivers don't drive semi trailers, some drive smaller trucks, still over the council weight limit. Are you going to complain about people parking their boats, box-trailers, motor-homes and caravans in their yards too. Lets look at this with some common sense.
Comment 3.1.1.1.1 27 Jul 2009, 2:45 PM
No body forgets that trucks provide a service as does everyone else but this does not give them the right to ride roughshod over other members of the residential community and treat neighbourhoods as quasi industrial estates. Controls are required for the benefits of the greater majority. If it was a matter of just parking it would not be so bad but it is not. There are other issues which have already been mentioned. When was the last time you heard boats, box trailers motor homes and caravans coming and going all hours of the day and night from a more…
Comment 3.1.1.1.1.1 11 Aug 2009, 3:47 PM
beep beep beep, abide by the rules!!!funny, trucks are complying by the road laws by having these beepers, I'd love to break mine but the LAW says I must have one, Occupational health and saftey regulations also mandate that I have one. Road damage, any time you want to pay my rego of $11,500 per year of which a large part is for road damage (so the govt says) then you can complain. You say trucks are treating residential areas as industrial areas. parking vehicles has nothing to do with industrial activities, if you people would get your facts right and discuss the real issue and not involve you personal predjudices the discussion would have great value. who make you boss and said only you could decide, isn't this a democracy, I pay my taxes and rates and have as much rights and say as you.
Comment 3.1.1.1.1.1.1 12 Aug 2009, 8:16 AM
I know that trucks need to be fitted with beepers but the council states he is to enter the property in forward gear and not reverse in. From my experience a truck does not beep when moving forwards. Do you want to hear that noise at 11pm, 1.30am and 3.30am when he is not supposed to be operating anyway. I don't want to hear it as he reverses down the road instead of going forward. I too know the law especially the council requirements. I am referring to the damage in residential streets which are not designed to take the more…
Comment 3.1.1.2 15 Aug 2009, 12:43 PM
Well if you are worried about noise, fumes, and visual disturbance then about 50% of all vehicles on the road, whether it be a loud car, motorbike or crappy car should have to pay this fee as well. and i would like to ask if you have checked your own car's emissions and for oil leaks if you are so worried about the environmental impacts. or better yet-buy a cow for milk, grow a veggie garden for food, and buy yourself a 5 acre property and isolate yourself from "the big dirty smelly trucks of australia"!
Comment 3.1.2 7 Aug 2009, 2:05 PM
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A 10 ACRE CLEARING AWAY FROM HEAVY VEHICLES YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT A LARGER PROPERTY. WHY SHOULD THE TRUCKIES HAVE TO BUY BIGGER PROPERTIES SO YOU CAN HAVE SECLUSION FROM THEIR ENGINE NOISE.
THEY HAVE TO GO TO WORK , TRUCKS ARE COUNTRY LIFE.
LET THEM EARN THEIR HONEST LIVING.
I LIVE NEXT TO SEVERAL TRUCKIES , THEY START THEIR ENGINES TO GO TO WORK AND I HEAR THEM WHEN THEY GET HOME. I ALSO HEAR MY OTHER NEIGHBOURS DRIVING THEIR CARS.
NO BOY RACER TRUCKIES ON MY STREET JUST HARD WORKING PEOPLE PROVIDING FOR THEIR FAMILIES NOT BLUDGING OFF THE REST OF US.
LEAVE THE TRUCKIES ALONE!!!
Comment 3.1.2.1 7 Aug 2009, 3:27 PM
LUCKY YOU WE ARE'T ALL SO LUCKY WITH OUR TRUCKIE NEIGHBOURS.
Comment 3.1.3 18 Aug 2009, 2:33 PM
You wouldn't know the difference from one truck to another, or the tare/GVM. So, what your saying is that somehow, on a 5 acre block, the neighbour would be able to park close enough to a neighbouring house to disturb them. Poor planning on the part of the owner of the nieghbouring house, I would have to conclude. Don't put us all into one basket.This was for lydevon, dont know why it ended up here, but thanks for your support leaveusalone.
Comment 3.1.3.1 19 Aug 2009, 10:41 AM
You know nothing about me so do not assume that I know nothing about trucks. And it is possible that that a person on a 5 acre block could be affected by noise from a neighbour especially at night when noise carries a lot further in the still air. What if that person had moved there first and a truck driver moved in next to him. After all I live in Forestdale on acreage and I can hear the trucks on Johnson Rd at night and it is 3kms away. The argument of we were here first no longer matters more…
Comment 3.2 4 Aug 2009, 4:25 PM
There are already laws in place to deal with noisy and polluting vehicles, adding more laws (and expense) without enforcing the existing laws is a waste of time.
We have several trucks in our estate, which I rarely hear (unless I am out in the yard), but what I do often hear are: Trail bikes, Harleys and loud cars with lead foot drivers.
Maybe we should charge all the above $900 and an ongoing fee to park in their own driveways?
Comment 4 29 Jul 2009, 10:09 AM
I would like to see the 4.5t threshold decreased for non-rural/acerage areas. I have a towtruck parked in my street permanently and this is just under the 4.5t threshold. Unfortunately its still an eye-sore and still a danger to the rest of the street and oncoming traffic. I have no issue if the owner parks it in his own driveway but parking it on the road is just inconsiderate. Perhaps there could be a requirement that trucks over a certain tonneage can park in their driveways but not on the street.
Comment 4.1 29 Jul 2009, 5:52 PM
I totally agree with you. We have a truck parked in our cul-de-sac permanently that is just below 4.5t and the council allow it. It is parked out the front of my house and like you I wouldn't mind if my neighbour parked it in his own driveway. Unfortunately the council only take into consideration the weight of the truck and not the other dangers or issues.
Comment 4.2 4 Aug 2009, 4:29 PM
Your comment highlights exactly the real issue here.
If you're parked on your own property and abide by road law, then there is no problem. It doesn't matter if it's a truck, trailer, caravan, boat or wheelie bin, if you park it in front of your neighbours house long enough, they are going to get upset.
Comment 5 29 Jul 2009, 10:26 AM
I dont agree with this proposal, rather then increasing the cost to all truck drivers who do the right thing, i would increase the cost / fines for those who do the wrong thing, if the vehicles are parked on private property how is that any bodies issue but the drivers, if however the diver does the wrong thing, then they need to be dealt with. The council will need to put man power and resources into the proposal to ensure that people comply with it, so rather then putting those resources into the proposed program put them into catching the ones who are doing the wrong thing. I personally have a truck in our street, but it is parked on private property, and I have no issues with it. Unfortunatly i think that like most things the minority give the majority a bad name.
Comment 6 30 Jul 2009, 4:26 PM
This proposal is a weak excuse by council to extract more money out of rate payers pockets whilst not fixing the real problem. (drivers with no regard for their neighbours)
I am a truck driver in the 'new' Logan shire.
I abide by most of the council's proposed new rule changes just by chance and by common courtousy to my neighbours.
But I do see owner drivers who disregard their neighbours and the general public's safety by leaving trucks parked on the street when they live on acrearage.
These are the people council should persue, they are in the small minority.
Council should do it's job and deal with those drivers who deliberatly impose on their neighbour's lifestyles and leave the large majority of drivers who respect others to do their job.
Sure there should be some simple rule changes to enforce this, but the new proposal makes mine and most of my colleagues jobs untennable.
The minimum starting time of 6.00am is a joke.
This proposal was written by someone who doesn't understand the trucking industry.
Comment 6.1 4 Aug 2009, 4:46 PM
Logan Council needs to explain the breakdown of the $900 application fee? What do we get for our money?
If this law gets passed, are truckies going to get stuck paying the $900 application fee, then fill out and submit a self-assessable application form? Then $152 a year to have someone in an office say "Yes, your application is still correct and valid"? Nothing more?
I'm not a truck driver, but I like to see everybody get value for their money. I don't see how it could possibly cost this much!
Comment 6.2 18 Aug 2009, 1:41 PM
I totally agree with your comments.
We also have one truck in the "new" Logan Shire and my husband is an owner driver.
The starting and finishing times are untenable as frequently he will need to leave prior to 6.00am to get to a job on time or finish if he is on night shift (generally carting hotmix for the new roads) will not finish until the early hours of the morning. Does he then have to park his truck somewhere until it is 6.00am so that he can come home to sleep?
Also the suggestion of running the truck for only more…
Comment 6.2.1 18 Aug 2009, 2:44 PM
Totally agree. Could not have said it better. I start at 3, leaving home at 2:15am. Usually I am home by 12, and as such home alone. No noise, just sleeping, reading, housework. I don't have a business,home,income,family, if I cant start work at the required time. Been doing this for 6 yrs without comp[laint from any nieghbours....Why should I be forced to pay for the obnoxious behaviour of a few
Comment 7 31 Jul 2009, 9:46 AM
We live in a semi rural estate. Our block range from size and so does our zoning. Where we live is contry side and at present by council rugulations we are permitted to have our one very well looked after and quite semi parked on our property. We have neighbours that are directly effected that have no problem but then we have the back stabbing residents that are making our life hell to just exsist. We very rarely leave before 7.30am any day and rearely enter anytime after 8.00pm the truck averaged over 12mths is oly parked up 2 days more…
Comment 7.1 31 Jul 2009, 3:37 PM
No need to get personal sitting behind a desk has its own issues and no I do not sit behind a desk. Just stick to the facts.
Comment 7.1.1 4 Aug 2009, 4:59 PM
I agree about not getting personal, but I'm assuming (hoping) the desk comment was aimed more at the council, not at any one else.
Government at all levels is bogged down with laws and regulations that miss the point completely, written by people "behind a desk" rather than intimately involved in the issue they believe they are solving.
Comment 7.1.1.1 5 Aug 2009, 7:07 AM
If you have a closer look it is referring to the complainers not the council.
Comment 7.1.1.1.1 11 Aug 2009, 3:57 PM
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Comment 8 15 Aug 2009, 10:43 AM
I think this whole thing is just a big scam for the Logan Council to make more money. For a start, former Beaudesert Shire residents didn't get a say in the amalgamtion-they took us over and there was nothing we could do about it. My husband and i bought our house in Cedar Vale to get away from the logan council, only to be followed. Now they want to tell us that we cant park our truck at home, or pay them some money to get them off our backs? We look after our property, we have put in a more…
Comment 9 15 Aug 2009, 12:26 PM
I dont own a truck, but I am outraged that the council is bringing in this stupid law!! All the people who agree to this law should be ashamed. I'm sure you all have heard WITHOUT TRUCKS, AUSTRALIA STOPS!!! If pam parker gets her way the independant trucks drivers will have to sell up, which means the bigger truck companies will come in and they charge alot more for transport, which means everything we buy will go up in price. The independant truck drivers are keeping our prices down and all you people who agree with the law are chucking more…
Comment 9.1 15 Aug 2009, 12:30 PM
I completely agree! This is a load of crap just to make council more money and isn't going to solve any problems-and is just making people angry!
Comment 9.1.1 15 Aug 2009, 8:28 PM
What you seem to forget is that the council has also had this amalgamation forced onto them by the state government who has also stated that laws across the council must be uniform. Therefore, take your arguments to those who are really responsible. I don't agree that those living in the old Beaudesert region should have these rules forced onto them but as an old Logan resident I also don't want to see the current laws diluted to the detriment of those people. And yes the acreage estate where I live I guarantee that if I had four truckie neighbours more…
Comment 9.1.1.1 18 Aug 2009, 3:09 PM
Hmmm, I wonder if having a shiny new sign at the entrance to Cedar Grove is keeping us out of recession. Or the white lines painted along the MT LIndsay Hwy that have faded now, only 6mths after the job.Or the new bright orange reflectors on the same Rd. And all these things could not have been done without TRUCKS. Oh, by the way, are Harleys an essential part of residential living. Ok, if that's the case, I'll park my truck on a paddock somewhere, buy a Harley and start THAT mother up at 2am!!!That should keep everyone happy!! Oh, and after I make a claim on my insurance for the vandalism to my truck,and tell them my postcode, all our insurance premiums will go up. Yay, we ALL get to pay. I'm ringin' Pam now