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The voting seems strange
The opening statements to most major Topics do not allow a real vote or indication of importance because of the way the statement is phrased. This to me gives false impressions and thus the results are not of real value. I also find other strange things happen.
Comment 1 18 Oct 2008, 9:10 PM
Can the moderator explain why when I give a thumbs up the thumbs down increases by a greater number? (also the reverse)
admin Comment 1.1 Moderator 18 Oct 2008, 9:15 PM
Bigfeller, the only time this could happen is where a number of people are voting at once - which is quite possible today given the traffic we have experienced. We have tested the system and it is working fine.
Comment 1.1.1 19 Oct 2008, 1:27 AM
This thing is still multi counting at 1am!
Comment 1.1.1.1 19 Oct 2008, 12:12 PM
If your on here, doesn't that mean that there are others as well?
Comment 1.2 20 Oct 2008, 3:23 PM
Face it Bigfeller, the majority of people do not agree with your point of view.
Comment 1.2.1 25 Oct 2008, 11:37 AM
Uncanny Louises that even when he asks a very reasonable question and is apparently ansered by the moderator he is still disagreed with
Comment 1.2.1.1 8 Nov 2008, 2:03 PM
So,Does that mean Louise is right ??
I think so !! Jokes
Comment 1.3 25 Oct 2008, 11:31 AM
I would like to know how the figures reported are reached.
What does VOTES mean and how tallied?
What does VIEWS mean and how tallied?
What controls are there and are the figures audited independantly ?
Comment 1.4 25 Oct 2008, 11:35 AM
Why given the moderators explanantion that the figures on our screen automatically update and therefore it is all OK is the majority DISAGREEING !!!!
Comment 2 18 Oct 2008, 9:12 PM
Whit the quick survey can the actual vote numbers be shown also.
admin Comment 2.1 Moderator 18 Oct 2008, 9:16 PM
Unfortunately not.
Comment 2.1.1 19 Oct 2008, 1:29 AM
Well how does it work out percentages without knowing the mumbers?
Comment 2.1.1.1 3 Nov 2008, 3:59 PM
of course it knows the numbers
YOU don't know the numbers.
see the difference
Comment 3 19 Oct 2008, 3:17 PM
The Quick Survay chart is interesting. It show that about 60% of the people want to get off at Wickham.
If thats correct why do only a handful get of at Wickham now?
After all the free bus is there now to take them to their destination.
Maybe we should have another quick survey to show how many of the people who want to get off at Wickham have not caught a train in the last five years?
Comment 3.1 19 Oct 2008, 7:54 PM
Most people are following the money Bigfeller. Is that really a surprise to you?
I think the thing you should be more concerned about is the number who have voted for other locations to cut the line because combined they also outnumber the people who want the line to stay.
Comment 3.1.1 19 Oct 2008, 8:45 PM
Removed by moderator. Comment was deemed offensive, inappropriate or spam.
Comment 3.1.2 30 Oct 2008, 8:07 PM
It's impossible to believe that surveys done in the last couple of years showed around a 70% desire to retain heavy rail into Newcastle. GPT is offering nothing but an opportunity for the tax payers to contribute millions to their development. So we're expected to believe that the population has swallowed the HBC yarn and has reversed their views in the face of global warming and escalating fuel costs. Sorry, something is very rotten in Newcastle and it's not the rail line.
Comment 3.1.2.1 30 Oct 2008, 11:21 PM
They probably surveyd the same people that were asked if they wanted a bridge over the rail line at Stewart Ave (promised since the 1950's) or a level crossing. According to the polititian of the day "we did a survey and everyone wanted a level crossing". And we took it and still voted labor.
I don't know anyone that would be dumb enough to ask for a level crossing. I know very few people want the heavy rail retained. They are just very vocal.
Comment 3.2 21 Oct 2008, 1:17 AM
Big Fella,
Where is the plebiscite? Thats the only way to achieve A result that's valid. Why doesn't Jodi get fairdinkum and conduct an independently arranged plebiscite?
Maybe she could go back to Newsreading and get some positive anecdotal views from interviewing the public on the issue.
One only has to read the majority view expressed herein to get the idea that Jodi and you are regrettably out of touch with the democratic views expressed in Bang the Table.
Comment 3.2.1 30 Oct 2008, 8:10 PM
Jodi was elected with a mandate to keep the heavy rail into Newcastle. How many studies, surveys and elections, at what cost do we need to have to convince the developers they can't have our public transport system.
Comment 3.2.1.1 30 Oct 2008, 11:28 PM
Next state election have a local referendum (and I mean the lower Hunter not just the hill) on the heavy rail line. The answer would be VERY clear.
If they had done that years ago we would have gotten rid of the rail line and been a lot better off by now.
Comment 4 19 Oct 2008, 9:19 PM
Like Bigfeller, and has been noted by others I have also seen strange results in the voting pattern.
Is their a way to tell from what part of the country the votes are coming from? For example, how do we know that votes aren't coming from far away, where the issue wouldn't normally affect them?
Comment 4.1 19 Oct 2008, 10:00 PM
And just before 10pm, I was about to give a thumbs up to a person before I was going to comment. The score before I submitted was "0 thumbs up, 1 thumb down." Yet when I pressed thumbs up, it changed at the exact same time to "1 thumb up, 2 thumbs down."
admin Comment 4.1.1 Moderator 19 Oct 2008, 10:08 PM
Hi NFlyer - hopefully I can set your mind at rest here. The pages on this site do not refresh automatically. When you vote the site refreshes that score which is why when you vote you see the change straight away.
However, this means that when you vote it also updates the 'thumbs' with any other votes that have been made since you last refreshed the page.
So in the example you give above this means that between the time you last refreshed the page and the time you voted someone else voted thumbs down.
I hope that makes sense! Given the traffic we have had on this page, if people have had a page open reading the comments for some minutes and then vote it is highly likely that the score will be updated by more than one vote.
Once again I can assure users that the voting function is working as it should.
Comment 4.1.1.1 25 Oct 2008, 1:31 PM
So when you vote it refreshes the whole page ...do you mean all comments on the same page ....because that is not my experience ....each comment only updated when you voted on that one ...and often as NFlyer said 2 would be added to
the contra view and oddly never more than one to the one you clicked .
Comment 4.1.1.1.1 3 Nov 2008, 4:02 PM
bunch of conspiracy theorist the lot of you!
Comment 4.1.2 23 Oct 2008, 1:47 PM
yes, its all a conspiracy against you.
would you like a tin-foil hat?
Comment 4.1.3 30 Oct 2008, 8:12 PM
Several people have reported this
Comment 4.1.3.1 3 Nov 2008, 1:54 PM
come to think of it, the voting is strange. a suspicious number of votes for keeping the line have been registered in the past few days. the percentages have changed too much. methinks some anti-progress lobbyists have multiple accounts.
Comment 4.1.3.1.1 3 Nov 2008, 5:29 PM
And how do you determine the authenticity of the anti rail votes or is this just another silly comment. There is equal opportunity for either faction to register multiple times. That is a fact of life on sites such as this.
Comment 4.1.3.1.1.1 4 Nov 2008, 12:05 PM
are you admitting to having multiple accounts?
Comment 4.1.3.1.1.1.1 4 Nov 2008, 9:19 PM
No, I am simply saying the opportunity is there for either side to do it, therefore the voting cannot be seen as any form of proof of what people are saying. Who knows what is actually going on?? And did I say I have multiple accounts? A big NO to that. You are putting your own spin on something.
Comment 4.2 25 Oct 2008, 11:42 AM
NFlyer apparently when you EVEN ask a reasonable question then the majority still DISAGREE....AND NO DOUBT WILL with this comment!!!
Comment 4.3 30 Oct 2008, 11:30 PM
Don't tell me tourists are voting. You mean the people that might visit the area if it wasn't dead. Who let them in.
Comment 5 3 Nov 2008, 11:00 AM
The debate is about the wrong questions.
Newcastle is notorious for its pride in the harbour, beaches, and other attractions.
But when it comes to town planning, Newcastle has an inferiority complex. It is repeatedly argued by many Novocastrians (including councillors) that important town planning principles, such as height codes, density codes or restrictions on building close to beaches and the harbour, should be compromised to accommodate a non compliant proposal by a developer "or we will lose the development".
It is a nonsense argument. It sells Newcastle short. The interests of Newcastle's residents are different to those of a developer. more…
Comment 6 7 Nov 2008, 8:14 AM
I agree - the comments are misleading and difficult to ascertain what the major issues are in each one.
when I logged on yesterday there were nowhere near as many votes against the keeping of the train line. Someone must have been very busy last night!