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or Create a new accountWhat are your thoughts on the best way to structure the entry fee and what do you think would be an appropriate charge?
There are a number of options that can be considered when responding to this question. These can include: • A single entry fee to use all the facilities. • A separate fee to use the water slide. • A discounted fee for frequent users, including swimming club members. • A discounted fee for non-swimmers (ie: parents / caregivers) • A discounted fee for children and pensioners (ie: concession) • Family discounts • Discounts for disadvantaged groups • Weekly, monthly or annual passes • Lower fee for periods of low attendances • A discounted fee for those that travel to the pool by bus (ie: Council subsidise travel and entry) • Free entry • A combination of the above or something totally different.
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Comment 1 28 Nov 2008, 1:23 PM
There should be a combination of entry charges - concession, family discounts, regular user discounts, etc - but once entry is paid, then all facilities in the complex (that means the pools and the slide!) should be freely accessed.
Comment 1.1 2 Dec 2008, 9:15 PM
I agree in general with Branko. Single adult entry should be $4, children $2. If it stays at that then family discounts are not needed. Season tickets are a good idea.
Something might have to change in the entry area. Either a turnstile that accepts all sorts of fees, or a person taking the money. Redevelopment of the shop should be considered. In most other pools the people running the shop also collect entry fees. And near the shop there is a covered area with tables and chairs. The shop sells things like bathers and goggles, and decent coffee. Non-swimming adults might come in while their kids are swimming. Elsewhere the shop is open for as long as the pool is open.
Comment 1.1.1 8 Dec 2008, 3:32 PM
I agree with Branko and Barney....charging extra for the slide should be wiped...I dont use the slide at all gbut I would hate to see any kid go without again in broken hill because they may not be as fortunate as other kids...think of those parents on a pension,single mums having to say no yet again to their kids because they cant afford something...it is just not right.
Comment 1.1.1.1 12 Dec 2008, 2:58 PM
And that is the crux of the matter regarding charging extra for using the slide... "It is just not right".
I hope Council hears this loud and clear.
Comment 2 29 Nov 2008, 12:41 PM
A $2 fee per hour or per half hour for the slide would help pay for it. In that hour children will absolutely bust their gut to have as many rides as they can and unknowingly get a really good cardiovascular workout. Children may have to forfeit their can of coke to have a go and that could be their choice.
I don't want to pay for the slide in the entry fee as I will never be using it.
If the slide were to be free then we would not be collecting money from tourists who wish to use it.
Disadvantaged groups could apply for concessions.You could also have a happy hour once a week.
I think $5.00 entry fee for adults would be OK. $2.00 for children and swimming club members.
Free for disabled who won't be able to get in the pool but could go and have a shower.
Comment 2.1 2 Dec 2008, 6:33 PM
Dear Sir,
In regards to Taryn Bank's idea on paying $5.00 for an entry to our swimming complex and $2.00 per 1/2 hour,
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING!
The Sydney olymic Park Aquatic centre doesn't even cost that much.
Comment 2.1.1 28 Dec 2008, 9:41 PM
How much does it cost?
Comment 2.2 2 Dec 2008, 9:01 PM
At Dubbo pool people who want to use the slide, pay extra and have a stamp put on the back of their hand. They can use the slide for the whole visit. The Broken Hill slide won't be open all the time, and kids might only get one ride in half an hour if it is busy.
Your payment to get into the pool does not cover the cost of running the pool. I rarely use the library or the road outside your house, but I still pay for them through Council rates.
Comment 3 1 Dec 2008, 11:19 AM
I think that a $5 entry fee for adults and $2 for children that covers all costs should be the initial cost. This should be looked at after one year to see if it is contributing to the costs of the pool sufficiently. If it is not then charging for the slide should be commenced with a $1 for all day fee.
Seasonal or yearly passes for families or individauls that are regular swimmers and swimming club members should be introduced as well.
Comment 3.1 2 Dec 2008, 6:35 PM
You are the same as Taryn!!!
It is too much to pay $5.00 for ENTRY!
Comment 4 1 Dec 2008, 6:06 PM
- $3 entry for any person who intends to swim.
- Free entry to any parent/guardian who does not intend to enter the swimming pools. I believe that this would increase the number of adults in attendance and would relieve the need for pool attendants to act as "baby sitters" in many instances.
- Seasonal "single" and "family" discounted passes should be made available.
- One cost for the use of the complex. Anyone who chooses to use the slide when it is operating should be able to do so and it should be included in the initial entry fee.
I think that Council needs to ensure that the price of entry does not rise too steeply. This would defeat the purpose of building the complex as it would put the facility out of reach for many people who use the pool on a regular or casual basis
Comment 4.1 2 Dec 2008, 6:37 PM
Kym!!!! you are the only one who has the RIGHT Idea!!
Seasonal ticket,
as a regular swimmer, $3.00 is a excellent price for a 50 Mitre pool.
Comment 4.2 29 Dec 2008, 7:57 PM
Glad to see someone has their Thinking Cap on!
well done Kym!
Comment 5 1 Dec 2008, 8:53 PM
I believe that $4 is a good round number for entry to the pool, which includes access to all the facilities. The slide brings a smile to so many peoples' faces, it would be a shame to see anyone go without because of a seperate admission fee.
Sure, it might be double the previous admission price - but you receive more than double the pool for it. The new pool and slide are fantastic facilities, and people mustn't lose sight of the work and expense that went into making them a reality.
I hope that when people consider what went into the pool, they won't mind shelling out an extra $2 to help pay for it. It was built for them, after all.
Comment 6 2 Dec 2008, 1:02 PM
Most pools have seasonal passes and different pricing structure for adults and children, so it's a matter of how much and how will it be collected.
Will there be turnstiles requiring exact coins or staff collecting entry fees? $4 for adults and $2 for children would fit in with exact turnstiles (but there should be some way of getting change if you've not the right number of coins).
Comment 6.1 11 Dec 2008, 10:54 AM
There is a way to get change. The Canteen next to the turnstile.
Comment 6.1.1 12 Dec 2008, 12:11 PM
You're assuming it's open.
Most other pools have a booth with a pool staff member taking fees if required.
Comment 7 2 Dec 2008, 9:18 PM
There is one simple method that could increase pool patronage. Put some signposts up in various streets, pointing to the aquatic centre (heated). A lot of visitors don't know that there is a pool in Broken Hill. I have met people who have been in town for weeks and don't know there is a pool here, let alone a heated pool open nearly 12 months.
Comment 7.1 7 Dec 2008, 11:05 PM
I would imagine if people have lived here for any length of time or visiting (accessible outback book has information regarding location of pool) and do not know there is a pool then they are likely to be disinterested in using a pool and have no need to "find out" if there is a pool. Signage would unlikely increase usage.. and the last thing we need is more ugly signage distracting people trying to navigate their way around town, If the council wanted a high profile pool they should have built it in a central location like Sturt Park or Kintore Reserve (opposite tourist centre)..
Comment 7.1.1 9 Dec 2008, 3:17 PM
give it up steve,
the pool is in the ground, i dont recon it will be moved any time soon.
PS signs actually help people trying to navigate around town.
Comment 7.2 8 Dec 2008, 3:36 PM
Brilliant idea....advertising our new aquatic centre in a cost effective way.
Comment 8 3 Dec 2008, 8:12 AM
Currently a regular user (5 times/week) is spending approx. $500.00/year to access the pool. To increase entry 100% to $4.00 would make it $1000.00/year. Some pensioners and families (especially those with multiple children in the swimming clubs) will find that quite daunting.
Heavily subsidised seasonal tickets will make that more attractive to locals while still a reasonable price for visitors and 1 off users.
Entry fee should cover access to all parts of the centre. Pool staff shouldn't be put in a position to have to monitor whether someone's slide pass is current. I'd rather they have their eyes on what's happening in the water!
Comment 9 3 Dec 2008, 11:56 AM
People who hold concession cards, eg. those issued by Centrelink & Seniors Card, should be afforded a discounted entry fee.
Similarly, there needs to be consideration given to children and families.
Comment 9.1 11 Dec 2008, 10:55 AM
As well as the swimming clubs
Comment 10 3 Dec 2008, 9:58 PM
I would like to see a single entry fee which would enable you to use all available facilities once inside the gates.
A discounted fee for frequent users is definately a good idea.
Weekly, monthly or annual discounted rates should definately be an option.
I don't really think a discounted fee for those who travel to the pool by bus should be given - after all most of us have to get there at some expense dont we!
I believe that free entry should'nt even be considered. Even though in an ideal world it would be terrific:)
Comment 10.1 5 Dec 2008, 9:26 AM
I don't think it's fair for parents who will not be swimming, and are there simply to supervise children to have to pay. If they aren't there it's left up to the pool staff to babysit, which isn't fair. Free entry for spectators may encourage more supervision, and these people may well spend money at the canteen anyway.
I agree with all of your other comments though...
Comment 10.2 15 Jan 2009, 10:52 AM
Why only a discount if you travel by bus? there are expenses if you travel by car, bicycle or even on foot (wearing out of shoes!)
Comment 11 3 Dec 2008, 10:41 PM
I like the current $2 entry because it's affordable. Like Sponge, I agree that if you are a multi-user then it could become quite expensive and even offputting if a steep increase should happen. It's a tricky one!!
Comment 12 5 Dec 2008, 9:48 AM
i believe that an all inclusive entry fee is needed. Say, $5 for adults, a concession rate (students/ pensioners/ seniors)of $3 and free entry for children not yet at school. The idea behind the free entry stems from the need for young children to learn water confidence and safety, followed by swimming lessons, from as early an age as possible. Hopefuly this would encourage families to bring their young children to the pool.
Family tickets are a great idea for larger families, as well as season tickets.
Comment 13 7 Dec 2008, 10:38 PM
ENTRY SHOULD BE FREE.... This pool will not get the useage to justify the expense of building it in the first place if it does not get used to its maximum potential. The ratepayers have gone without not only the pool but lots of other things in this town for way too long... the ratepayers will be paying for it whether we use it or not just like the library, aged rest centre, town square, any park, oval, playground etc.. and users do not pay for those facilities why should the pool be any different? It will give the young more…
Comment 13.1 9 Dec 2008, 3:23 PM
shouldnt the pool at least pay some of its own costs? Groups that use ovals in town pay a fee, these fees probably do not cover all costs for that oval but they at least help to reduce the burden on the ratepayers.
There has to be some element of "user pays".
Comment 13.1.1 16 Dec 2008, 10:34 PM
Yes groups that use ovals pay to "hire" them, just like groups like "Swimming clubs" should pay to "hire" the pool if they want it exclusively. INDIVIDUALS who use an oval to kick a ball, walk the dog, have a picnic, use the playground do not pay! If a group pays to hire a oval or other facility they have a right under common law to exclude others for using it,or charge entry, and that is fair enough. For this Public facility, like others, that should be the only user pays system implemented. But, any Hirer or club should only be able to hire or exclusively use the pool at non-peak times as the public users should have priority, this complex is a public facility in the first instance.
Comment 13.1.1.1 23 Dec 2008, 10:15 PM
I think you are blurring the line between ovals and public space here steve. Regardless, I still think it is unfair to lump the burden of the entire running costs of the pool onto the ratepayers, there still must be some element of user pays. Council needs to make the most efficient use of its very limited funds. The more the pool is able to, in some way, meet its running costs the more is freed up for other public works.
Comment 14 17 Dec 2008, 12:05 PM
The number one aim for the improvement/ expansion of any public infrastructure should be to increase patronage. If the cost of the entry makes people think twice about using the pool, then it defeats the purpose of expanding the pool complex.
In theory it is reasonable to have discounted entry for children /families/ pensioners/ frequent swimmers etc, but in practical terms does this mean there will be someone monitoring the turnstile?
The current price of $2 makes entry affordable for all to go swimming. Any increase in the entry fee should be small.
Comment 14.1 29 Dec 2008, 10:00 AM
I think an effort does need to be made to ensure fees are paid equitably by all who enter the pool.
Comment 15 29 Dec 2008, 9:59 AM
I think there should be discounted rates for seasonal / weekly / monthly entry. I am in favour of charging a fee for the slide - this is in no way an essential or basic facility and charging a fee could help with appropriate supervision. The pre-existing free slide often had groups of children having repeated goes, while younger children were constantly pushed back and never got a chance.
Comment 16 2 Jan 2009, 5:49 PM
One entry fee for all facilities but with concession fee options for children, pensioners etc. I have used other facilities where the slide is an extra charge and the slide is rarely if ever used. Metro pools charge upwards of $6 non concession for entry to all facilities...perhaps $4 or $5 non consession entry fee in BH to cover indexation over recent years when the charge has not risen, plus increased revenue for ongoing operating costs etc
Comment 17 4 Jan 2009, 10:35 PM
just leave the price as it is,and lets wait till the pool is completely finish and then discuss prices.ENJOY!
